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Should remove PLEX as a form of payment... pull the free to play

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Solaris Ecladia
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-06-27 11:38:57 UTC
If i had to pay money for this game i wouldnt play. Too IRL poor. But have no fear, I will keep plexxing my account like I have been doing the past 2 years.
Bloody Wench
#42 - 2013-06-27 12:02:24 UTC
Dear OP,

If Chribba is in opposition to your idea, then you're wrong.

That is all.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-06-27 12:11:09 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


But thanks for putting a conditional in there, as people in even EvE can be moral/ethical (no game changes that compass to me...I'm the straightest shooter you'll ever see).



I am inclined to disbelieve this


Disbelieve all you want dear. If anything no one had doubted about me is, I'm honest to a fault...and will say exactly what I mean unvarnished.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#44 - 2013-06-27 12:18:31 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


But thanks for putting a conditional in there, as people in even EvE can be moral/ethical (no game changes that compass to me...I'm the straightest shooter you'll ever see).



I am inclined to disbelieve this


Disbelieve all you want dear. If anything no one had doubted about me is, I'm honest to a fault...and will say exactly what I mean unvarnished.


You must be fascinating to listen to at parties

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#45 - 2013-06-27 12:46:11 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute....



...and more people to RMT isk from you for a higher price?
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-06-27 12:48:15 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.



Surely someone has already said this but I'm too lazy to read through the whole thread:

PLEX is not free-to-play. When you buy a plex with isk and use it, it just means somebody else has paid for your subscription.
It's really that simple.
Q 5
999 HOLDINGS LLC
#47 - 2013-06-27 12:49:44 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder


Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches.
So this means that you don't somewhere down there enjoy reading about someone who didn't think it through and moved 36 PLEXes in a frigate on a busy Jita day?


Come on Chribba you want me to believe that someone is dum b enough to move plex in a squishy ship and there are players that just sit for hours scanning departing ships out of 4/4...humph I don't believe youBig smile
Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-06-27 13:51:15 UTC
10/10, OP, your troll even got Chribba to reply to your nonsense
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-06-27 13:58:11 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
Dear OP,

If Chribba is in opposition to your idea, then you're wrong.

That is all.




The Chribba has spoken and delivered his judgement in Veldspar. The OP has been found wanting by the Lord of the Veldspar and shall now be cursed for all of his days.

Ban Thread, Close OP.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2013-06-27 13:59:37 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:


But thanks for putting a conditional in there, as people in even EvE can be moral/ethical (no game changes that compass to me...I'm the straightest shooter you'll ever see).



I am inclined to disbelieve this


Disbelieve all you want dear. If anything no one had doubted about me is, I'm honest to a fault...and will say exactly what I mean unvarnished.


You must be fascinating to listen to at parties


Like Yanni. Absolutely fascinating.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Stonecrusher Mortlock
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-06-27 14:05:21 UTC
not sure if troll or just stupid.
Franco Stein
Doomheim
#52 - 2013-06-27 14:18:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Franco Stein
Trolls are just defending a F2P and a P2W scam.

PLEX is such the Pay to Win model it's sick.

Here's your game options for Players.

1) I don't want to earn my merits in the in game grind, so I throw down RL cash to buy my shinny..... how is this not P2W? I am a fake player who is not a gamer, just a "want to be" hero in a game that is "forced" to offer this option due to the fact that the option 2 players even exist.... This is FAKE GAMING.

2) I don't have RL cash (or just don't want to pay for stuff, cause I am a suck), so I grind or scam the above guy to make fake cash to play this game for Free and just take up server space. I make ten times more noise in the forums and in game, then people who pay the $140. buck a year to sub (Option 3 player). I troll any thread who speaks the truth!

3) I love the game and want to see new exciting content come out. I realize that there is NO OTHER Space game MMO and so I invest in this one by paying each and every month that I play it. I know it's a game and find value in my own personal efforts in game to advance my character, otherwise I know I'm just fooling myself into thinking I am great. I hate when a player can just pay real money to buy the SAME exact thing that I had to earn in game (Characters, Ships, etc). I game because I feel that I HAVE PERSONALLY achieved something. I support the company who makes the game I play "personally" with MY OWN MONEY (not some rookies) because I want to keep enjoying it and they deserve my support.


If you all are too stupid to see that this game model is a scam and actually killing the fun in it, you are so dead wrong. WTF is a game anyway? You leaches force the publishers to do it, and that's wrong. Sure they may be making money due to the VEGAS like odds in here, but it puts the game in a trash category.

1) How is PVP fun in this game for regular sub players? It's ridiculous! It costs you either countless hours of grinding or RL cash to even play against another F2P or P2W player and compete. Not only that, the odds of winning are so stacked to the side of the those two player type entrenched player base that force new players to bail or join the ridiculous. PVP means Player VS Player, if you don't know the term!
This game has NO SUCH gaming option. It's player against entrenched players!!!

2) PVE has old content that is the same exact missions over and over. Other games have as many as thousands of missions to play. Why does this game have no real new content? Because they don't have to! The P2W and F2P player base sees to that! They create a PERFECT little game scam.

Get you head out and fix this...... you can do it by NOT BUYING PLEX!!!!!!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#53 - 2013-06-27 14:22:55 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
Trolls are just defending a F2P and a P2W scam.

PLEX is such the Pay to Win model it's sick.





You seem to be one of these people who call those who disagree with you "trolls" when they defend their point of view




You also seem to measure your EvE success in terms of Isk




What a curiously primitive viewpoint

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#54 - 2013-06-27 14:22:58 UTC
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like

sorry, this thread is just full of potato.
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
#55 - 2013-06-27 14:23:44 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.


PLEX was a brilliant idea by CCP. It means they can avoid crappy F2P mechanics that doesn't suit a game like EVE and keep the subscription model while fighting RMT at the same time. If you have a better idea than PLEX, please enlighten us.



I second the "PLEX was a brilliant idea" comment. And I subscribe.

It adds so much flexibility to the game - that's a whole different thread though (101 Uses for PLEX!). One of the most underappreciated things about it is, I think, that it provides a steady currency sink in addition to the game mechanics of ship loss and consumables and such. Every PLEX sold for ISK is that many ISK gone forever once that PLEX is used. It's another balance against the endless in-game ISK-printing machines. Keeping the currency inflow and outflow somewhat on par with each other keeps this economy from spinning into WoW levels of hyperinflation. Which has the added benefit of CCP not having to add in new currencies every patch.
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#56 - 2013-06-27 14:24:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jint Hikaru
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.




If the game is "junk" then Bog Off to a different game. WTF does a 29 day old noob know about the game anyway and what experience do you have to be making such game changing suggestions???

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Franco Stein
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-06-27 14:32:05 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder, not only those that will stop playing, but also you won't have all the lolmails of some pilot moving 36 PLEXes in a Kestrel... why you want us to be sad?



I've read about your gaming in here and admire your efforts from what I have read.

Why you would support PLEX I can not understand, as it is completely counter to the values of gaming in every sense.

Those who defend it, just want things for free or don't want to really risk!

Take away the plex and you'll be left only with REAL GAMERS!
Mathrin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2013-06-27 14:46:25 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder, not only those that will stop playing, but also you won't have all the lolmails of some pilot moving 36 PLEXes in a Kestrel... why you want us to be sad?


Chribba endorses plex. /thread
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#59 - 2013-06-27 14:49:14 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
The way things are now, if PLEX didn't exist, I doubt EvE would have more than 200k subs. A lot of that 500k are extra accounts (as it took more than 1 account to raise another toon until this expansion). Only way to pay for that with kids is to PLEX for "free" game time.

I sub, as it's a better way to budget (set price a month). Ironically, it's due to that set price that allows having more than 1 account. F2P model and all the nickel and diming is how it stays afloat, but devs can't budget like that. Which is also why I believe Blizzard continues on the subscription model for WoW, as it's a consistent cashflow to budget with each month.

Micro pay model is what kids enjoy, but in reality there's no free lunch. Any F2P scheme out there is paid for by other means (CCP does the "free" expansions and all by PLEX and time-code sales). They're just deferring the cost onto others paying for it (leeches).


You can't go 5 sentences without saying Blizzard or WoW can you?

Why are you here again?
Telemicus Thrace
Lucky Fedo Trading Co.
#60 - 2013-06-27 14:49:46 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder, not only those that will stop playing, but also you won't have all the lolmails of some pilot moving 36 PLEXes in a Kestrel... why you want us to be sad?



I've read about your gaming in here and admire your efforts from what I have read.

Why you would support PLEX I can not understand, as it is completely counter to the values of gaming in every sense.

Those who defend it, just want things for free or don't want to really risk!

Take away the plex and you'll be left only with REAL GAMERS!


Decent troll attempt on your part I must admit . I put the OP down to you being a newb. Once more for the record...

It's been explained to you that PLEX are not free, you are trading with another player for game time. Those who can make a decent amount of ISK can buy game time from players. Players who may not have time or experience to make ISK can get it through cash. This is simply a formal version of my flatmate pays my sub, in return I build him ships. Nobody is playing for free.

Since neither skills trained nor player skill are affected by ISK this is not P2W. Even the most expensive ships get torn apart in the face of focus fire.

Because PLEX are traded between players on the open market supply and demand brings it into balance.

The greatest benefits of PLEX are:

- More players to shoot / trade with.
- Healthier economy from more ISK needing to be generated.
- Players can trade Cash for ISK risk free and the money goes to CCP instead of RMTs

Honestly though, you are just coming off as another troll. You are insulting and irrational and you don't make any valid point.