EVE General Discussion

and I'm pretty sure the market has a near-infinite supply of caracal bpo's.



applying rules of market, the T1 hulls would either drop in price to near-cost levels, which would probably make minerals also drop in value as so to coup on costs of production, or they wouldn't be produced at all.

but that's why CCP made these cruiser only available thru LP stores in "limited" quantities.


in the end it's really one of the bits one learns in economics 101: if item is of good quality and demand increases while supply/availability remains the same, the price of said item goes up, ergo, price is a component that only the players control. problem however, is when availability, be it thru the rarity of the materials or blueprints needed, production times, or even amount of raw, if relatively common, minerals, is confused with value.

value is a consequence of availability versus demand, not the other way around.



this was quite present back on the supercapital explosion that occured a few (couple?) years ago, where cost and production times were only a hindrance up to the moment when the supply and manufacturing lines picked up pace. when they managed to stay at a certain level, the amount of these ships exploded, because the only way to counter a fleet of titans, a ship meant to be no more than a glorified e-peen of epic proportions, was to get an even bigger fleet of titans. So, it became a banal hull where even cases of setting off DD's to kill a small group of ships (I've seen titans setting off DDs to kill a single interceptor) was normal. CCP stopped this by doing major balance on these hulls and their mechanics, but their production times and values remained roughly the same.

so no, as we learned with supers, you can't apply cost as a balance factor here, because in an economy with too few sinks and too many faucets, thus prone to inflation there will be a time where everyone will be able to buy one.

which raises up an interesting proposition: if cost was really a balance factor, then to keep things balanced, CCP should've nerf the faucets quite hard, or boost the sinks even harder.



but this is wild speculation at most, since in the end we have no idea how CCP will even do the balance on T2's, which are, supposedly, the balancing base to wich T3's will be balanced.

The f*ck? T3 cloaky OP? Show me a cloaky Legion or Tengu fit that is "overpowered"..

I don't think T3 are overpowered, I think Recon ships are underpowered. Except for some niche applications, they have been made redundant by T3.

Being the important part.

Recon ships have a rather high training requirement. For example, I just trained an alt for Tengu and now I wanted to get him into a Falcon. Considering the similarities between those ships, I had expected that I just could put in the Recon ships book and get going. But I actually have to train Electronic Upgrades V first.

I would expect a ship that is highly specialized, and even needs some skills that a T3 doesn't, to excel at its task.

Recons are already better at their job than T3 but they could do with a slightly better tank.

Many of the T1 ships have an advantage over their T2 variations.

I don't think you naysayers really know what you're talking about do you..

At the end of the day, a lot of it is situational and down to player skill as a pilgrim can kill Proteus quite easily.

Why shouldn't T3's have a better tank than a pilgrim or a HAC for that matter?

As i said, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. I don't know what kind of noobs are flying around null sec these days but only retards would fit a ship like that and if they did, the performance of that ship would be absolutely terrible.

I seems that all you care about is being able to catch someone on a gate camp. CCP can get rid of the interdiction nulli for all i care as only clowns use it anyway.

I just hope they listen to the people who have experience in flying and killing T3's instead of people whose idea of PVP is bubbleing a gate to **** and then insta blabbing anything that passes through.

Edit: That sounds very hostile reading it over but i mean no great offence. I guess it's such an important issue for me because i live in a part of space (wormholes) where T3s are practically the only ship used and they are perfectly fine there.

Pilgrims can probe down targets.

It doesn't get any bonus though and expanded probe launchers are not nice things to fit when they take up about 50% of your CPU.

They are. Price is a factor of balance

Balancing ships in the way you are suggesting results in every entity being forced to field massive numbers and rely on blob warfare to compete.

But whatever dude. We have our own opinion and it doesn't look like either of us is going to convince the other... I just hope CCP don't **** it up.

Pluswan