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So tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW - again?

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-06-27 10:05:51 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
The problem is - the tags don't drop!


Grind isk, buy tags, quit whining, grow a pair and stop being so damn pathetic.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#42 - 2013-06-27 10:17:06 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
It's why some people want EVe to be like other games, so they don't have to be bothered with thinking.


Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things. Like running missions, exploration, killing other players...

CCP didn't force you to do any of those things. You sound like the kind of person who likes to blame everyone else for your own failure and lack of ability. You won't last long in Eve, might as well head back to wow now.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-06-27 10:18:10 UTC
dexington wrote:
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
The problem is - the tags don't drop!


Grind isk, buy tags, quit whining, grow a pair and stop being so damn pathetic.



So what you're saying is the balls don't drop.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#44 - 2013-06-27 10:20:06 UTC
Think as high sec as the tutorial/starter area for Eve, if you choose not move on don't complain about the content being rubbish and certainly don't judge the game by it.

When CCP created Eve did you think they:

Pictured thousands of players repeating the same few missions over and over again, alone to get space money without ever interacting with another player

or

Large groups of players contesting limited resources in a sandbox environment.



As far as I am concerned OP does not play Eve, he plays WoW in space.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#45 - 2013-06-27 10:21:02 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
I feel like I am playing World of Warcraft grinding for faction points. Did a few too many missions against Gallente Federation and my rating took a beating. Now I find myself grinding rats and missions to find tags so that I can turn them in to fix my rating with the Gallente.

The problem is - the tags don't drop!

What I have learned is - this is just like WoW...no it is worse than WOW - and out WoW's - WoW! In world of Warcraft you can grind for certain things to turn in to NPC's to fix your rating(or grind mobs), but in EVE the drop rate for tags is beyond abysmal - it is pathetic. At least in WoW the drop rates for the items you need is bearable and you won't pull your hair out while grinding for them.

In EVE - fraking good luck finding the tags you need.

In WoW, killing members of an opposing faction at least gives you points that go toward earning a good rating with the faction you are trying to improve your rating with. In EVE - doesn't matter how many you kill or how many missions you run. They don't count. Only certain missions count.

So this is what I learned. You can run 16 level 1 missions. After your 16th mission you will be offered a special mission. Finish the mission and earn a whole whopping .03 points toward fixing your rating!

Or...go hunt rats...for hours and hours....and hours...and hours...days....weeks...months...and get them tags! TAGS THAT DO NOT DROP!!!

Or...hey I know, like in WoW we can go buy what we need off the auction house or in this case - any market that someone is selling the "tags"(that do not drop). Yes...like WoW I can easily go to a market and spend a nice little fortune on the items I require to turn in to the NPC's to earn my faction rating back...just like - you guessed it - WoW!

This is why it reminds me of WoW...because WoW has things like this in it - things that become a grind - grinding is bad mmm'kay.

Oh...and why is it that when it comes to finding the tags I need, all but the ones I need drop?! I find all manner of tags I don't need. Don't need Fed tags - they drop by the bushel. Don't need Blood tags...not a problem...run a few missions and you have hundreds filling your cargo hold.

Forget COSMOS - you have to have a minimum of 0.0 rating to even get them to talk to you...which kinda of defeats the whole purpose of COSMOS - in that they were put in place to help repair your rating! Who thought this up? Seriously...what brain surgeon put his together?

If I want to grind...I'd go play WoW! This is suppose to be EVE and EVE is not suppose to be like WoW and yet, here I am, on the forum boards of EVE having to point out that EVE isn't so far from WoW as many people would have you believe. So I ask you...tell me how EVE is the furthest thing from WoW.

I love EVE...but Heyzoozs on a fricking stick...did you have to put such a horrendous grind into the one game that isn't suppose to be like all the others - especially that one other game? Frak! EvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvilTwistedEvil



Your EVE plays like WoW because you're playing it like WoW.

You can if you like - EVE will let you do this. Just be aware that it doesn't force you to.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#46 - 2013-06-27 10:32:11 UTC
Look up the Faction Standing Repair Plan by DeMichael Crimson.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2013-06-27 10:51:49 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Ace, keep in mind, many of us came from WoW, and instead of returning home, we decided "to hell with our trailerpark kneejerk parents, we're staying here where the game is less mindless". WoW, like most traditional mmos is far more about the reaction time than the plan. In all fairness, I would say that not even MWD frigate dogfighting in Eve requires the same reaction time as pvp in WoW. Eve counterbalances this with the preparation depth.

You said that gear in WoW is like SP in Eve. I would argue otherwise. I would say that your gear in WoW is like your ship/fit in Eve, whereas your SP is more like your character level and skill points, though since I haven't played since HMDS, I haven't seen the derped abomination that replaced the old wow skill system. Theorycrafting in WoW is all but dead. In Eve, it's ever evolving, as someone comes out with yet another counter to yet another doctrine.


It's about reaction times, but how the game is shaping up in the last 2 expansions, it may hint at what the next-gen MMO will be like (Titan maybe scrapped for now but you know Blizzard is using WoW as it's testing grounds. That's too much data to ignore).

I doubt all those PvPers after 5.3 will agree that theorycrafting is dead. I'm not playing EvE because I really really really wanted to be here, it's because the last refuge I had was nerfed, kicked, trampled and had a short bus driven over it -- and that was PvP (give everyone resilience; nerf PvP power and resilience gems) and with a straight face tell all of us who grinded for CP gear this is for more PvP. Really? That silly HM raider can blow us out of the water in PvE gear due to more sockets and pure stat gemming (think the T3 nerfs are bad, how would you like a destroyer to blow it out of the water???). Our stats on our gear is the only difference, but we lose out on sockets to get more pure stats. THAT was the last straw. PvP is the only way in WoW to set a goal to obtain gear -- and it's actually good gear for it's purpose -- not badly optimized rep gear. So not even having that to work for, the game has no meaning to play (few of the big guilds on my realm are even raiding. Raid ranking slipped even lower than in WotLK; and just getting 40 people for Oondasta takes forever) so forget even raiding.

I'm not blind to the faults in WoW, but I'm not just going to sit and watch players bash the game they either don't play or haven't played in years and claim EvE is just plain better (and they wouldn't want the same done with EvE). If they played and evaluated each, then their experience can be factored in, as they put the time in to know the difference.

I'm a gamer above all else. If X game has what is a nice feature, fanboism isn't going to get in the way of implementing it, as what's good for gaming is good for gamers (and worth the $$ and effort).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#48 - 2013-06-27 11:16:33 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:

Excuse me...I was just a peaceful miner, until CCP forced me to start doing other things. Like running missions, exploration, killing other players...I had no ideal that this games racial factions actually mattered because I was always told that in high-sec you can go anywhere and the only thing you need to worry about is can flippers and the occasional wannabe ganker- because I was a miner. I didn't do anything to harm my rating.


From: CCP
To: Khira Kitamatsu

We've noticed a lot of active mining on this particular account. While we are not against mining, you have been doing it for a longer time than we deem to be allowed in our game. This is an official notice to let you know that unless you immediately cease all mining activity, we will be forced to close your account.

Please start exploring space and doing missions until further notice. Failure to complete at least one level 1 mission within 3 working days will be taken as a failed attempt to comply with our desicion, and action will be taken.

Regards, CCP


Unless this happened, gtfo

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#49 - 2013-06-27 11:21:28 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Your EVE plays like WoW because you're playing it like WoW.

You can if you like - EVE will let you do this. Just be aware that it doesn't force you to.

Yes indeed.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#50 - 2013-06-27 11:41:23 UTC
tl;dr: Because there are factions with standings, EVE is just like WoW.

Furthermore, since I know how to fix standings in WoW and the same method in EVE does not work well, EVE sucks (but is still just like WoW)



OP: There are several ways to fix faction standings, but grinding for tags is probably the worst way. Showing your ass in GD and ranting doesn't work on me, but apparently a few others have shown pity and offered suggestions. Well done on "finding a solution."

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#51 - 2013-06-27 11:49:24 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
tl;dr: Because there are factions with standings, EVE is just like WoW.




Agreed


Though I feel I should point out


This means WoW is just like Elite, the spiritual ancestor to EvE, released 20 years previous to WoW

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#52 - 2013-06-27 12:09:15 UTC
Also EVE predates WoW, so more properly it should be: "WoW is just like EVE"

(No one tell Ace this; she'll go off on another rage spree)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Tixam Quri
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-06-27 12:16:29 UTC
Six Six Six wrote:
All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.

I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.

Can't you just buy the tags from the market?


what server were you on? cus I had an UD rogue named sixsixsix and I think you stole my **** Twisted

Jafit McJafitson- "try scamming people. it's like PvP, but with words. Their greed is your warp scrambler, your lies are your autocannons."
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#54 - 2013-06-27 12:30:40 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


I'm not blind to the faults in WoW, but I'm not just going to sit and watch players bash the game they either don't play or haven't played in years and claim EvE is just plain better (and they wouldn't want the same done with EvE). If they played and evaluated each, then their experience can be factored in, as they put the time in to know the difference.


A person doesn't need to have recent WoW experience to see that it and EVE have utterly different focuses/approaches to gameplay and entertainment. That's what you always miss, just because something works elsewhere doesn't mean it can or will work the same way in another venue, and believing so shows a deeply flawed thought process.

The kinds of people who play EVE and WoW are not always the same as well, so while a feature might go over like gang busters in one place, it would be out of place in another.

I tend to find your beliefs a lot like some of the illogical real world things I've observed, like how some people thought forcibly importing "secular democracy" to a primitive, foreign land with no tradition of secular democracy was a good idea, and how those same people saw all the blood shed that resulted and were stuck in permanent WTF mode from then on. All places and people aren't equal and in many cases don't even want the same things out of life.

Quote:


I'm a gamer above all else. If X game has what is a nice feature, fanboism isn't going to get in the way of implementing it, as what's good for gaming is good for gamers (and worth the $$ and effort).


Again, what could be good in one place could kill another. Preserving the unique spirit of a game (ie preventing it from being like every other mediocre game that exists) isn't fanboism, it's good sense. If we wanted to have the experience we could have in other games we'd be playing those other games, not EVE.

You're campaign to homogenize EVE is illogical to the highest degree.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-06-27 12:40:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Six Six
Tixam Quri wrote:
Six Six Six wrote:
All MMOs that I've played have a grinding element within them.

I don't consider EVE being the same as WoW, but than I left WoW just before the Panda invasion.

Can't you just buy the tags from the market?


what server were you on? cus I had an UD rogue named sixsixsix and I think you stole my **** Twisted



Was on loads of servers at different times, played on most of them although some of them weren't for very long. Had over 300 characters (highest percentage of them were rogues which is usually my preferred play style), not all at the same time of course. Don't remember meeting a sixsixsix though, so guess I didn't bump into you at least with that character.

Didn't copy anyone with this one, whilst thinking about names it just come to me, I was expecting it to be taken already but luckily it wasn't.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#56 - 2013-06-27 12:51:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
EVE is not WoW.



The only difference between EvE and WoW is EvE is a space sim themed, WoW is a high fantasy themed.


One of the most ignorant statements in GD history and that's saying a hell of a lot. WoW is a themepark mmo, EVE is a player driven sandbox.

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When you stop fighting about the games itself, you then can appreciate both. And also understand marketing 101 better, let alone understanding that the MMO community is quite small and recycles the same pool of players. So every time you diss WoW, Jenn, you are dissing EvE players too. Few only play one MMO, we cycle through 2+ (or may even play 4 at a time...I used too).


No one is dissing WoW. i didn't like it, but to each his own.

The problem is people like you who go into other games and bascially beg for it to change into WoW. It's like you're the freaking borg of WoW (Worg?) or something.

Why can't you types leave us alone to love out hard core game while you ride the rides of your favorite theme park? Do we come into WoW and say Damn, this place needs Rifters, Cynos and hotdrops!!"?

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PR wise, you're not helping EvE.


EVE needs my help?

But you don't see, I and others like me ARE helping EVE by being EVE players and explaining to people what this game is, why it's unique, why it's cold, dark and harsh, and why it should always be that way, unlike the 1000s of thempark MMOs out there.

We help EVE by keeping the numbers of over-sensitive, over-indulged welfare/themepark crowd in EVE to an absolute minimum. Real EVE players are of a more hardy mental stock than most MMO gamers, able to take losses that would mentally crush your average gamers and shrug it off as merely "pixels" and the cost of doing business.

These are they kinds of people who should play EVE, the kinds of people we enjoy being around. The EVE community is like a local D&D gamer group writ large: (Mostly) serious gamers only.


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Time to take a chill pill, and just acknowledge the 800lb gorilla in the room exists, accept it and strive to make EvE at least equal in quality and performance (if anything Blizzard has is really good production standards, as they're the MMO leader and any slip they get chewed out for...which is why competition is healthy, especially for gamers as gamers get better games!).


Screw Blizzard and thempark MMOs and most gamers. Viva EVE (or EVE Libre....Libre it from these damn Wowbears) lol.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#57 - 2013-06-27 12:55:31 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

freaking borg of WoW (Worg?)


I love this quote and vow to put it in a sentence before midnight

Jenn aSide wrote:

Screw Blizzard and thempark MMOs and most gamers. Viva EVE (or EVE Libre....Libre it from these damn Wowbears) lol.



I think Im having your baby right now

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ichi Takiwa
Perkone
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-06-27 13:21:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Ichi Takiwa
As a former WoW player, I think this is a superior MMO just for the fact that actions have consequences here. That and there are no pandas shooting green lightning bolts out of their fingers.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#59 - 2013-06-27 13:25:54 UTC
Given that WoW's subs are bleeding out at over 20% a year, I'm not sure that's the best model for CCP to emulate.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#60 - 2013-06-27 13:27:44 UTC
Khira Kitamatsu wrote:
Huge wall of Pandatext


WoW = canned and streamlined progress decided from above, even for grinding standings.

EvE = (more) free form, :effort: requiring progress decided by you, including learning how to grind standings.

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