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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2013-06-26 15:47:26 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:


I do not take other games as measurment, as each game has its own logic, in eve more skilltime is needed for the early player, therefore the possibility to purchase more skilltime as an option and again limited maybe between 1-3 month of SP per year would be a good addition to the game, and would not harm anybody

I agree to everybody that the possibility to purchase unlimited skilltime might not be a good idea

You missed the point. Its no harder to train into most specialized ship roles than it was 10 years ago. Its easier now in most cases than it was in the past. There are a few exceptions (black ops, cap ships) but generally theres no need to worry about being 10 years behind because youre not unless you want to be good at everything.

Just like you cant expect to play WoW and be max level max geared in all classes / races quickly you cant expect that in EvE either.


my suggestion should just be used as additional boost and motivation ever few month, don't worry, everybody will be fine with that


We sure will Captain Misplaced Assumption!

Oh wait, no we're not, as we repeatedly tell people just like you who think that this is somehow a magic bullet that will cure all that is wrong with Eve.

Honestly Malcanis, it's time you put your law back in your signature. People seem to be forgetting it again.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#162 - 2013-06-26 17:28:56 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

my suggestion should just be used as additional boost and motivation ever few month, don't worry, everybody will be fine with that


This is exactly like suggesting people should be able to buy one max level WoW character directly from Blizzard per expansion. All you end up doing is running out of content faster.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#163 - 2013-06-26 19:22:55 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

my suggestion should just be used as additional boost and motivation ever few month, don't worry, everybody will be fine with that

All you end up doing is running out of content faster...

...get bored and leave game faster.
Instant gratification at its best.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#164 - 2013-06-26 20:33:31 UTC
Dear OP,

first about 50% of the respondents are doing the standard knee-jerk "No!" response with zero thought behind their responses, there are always a cluster of such respondents to any idea no matter how good or logically consistent that idea is, so just ignore them.


Your idea is 100% consistent with the sellout that CCP has made of EVE. You can PLEX your way to infinity wealth no issues, you can buy a pilot with a bazillion SPs, again no problem.

For those that are proposing he simply buy a bazaar pilot, that is fine if that suits him but why should this be his only option for instantly grabbing a bunch of SPs, there is no valid argument that this should be the only avenue available to him other than 'it already exists' and this is insufficient reasoning.

OP,

Your method of skill point acceleration is just an extension of logic CCP has already put into place and supported and I will add my own support of your idea as well not because i personally like the idea but because it is a consistent policy and there can be no valid justification why it should not be allowed.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#165 - 2013-06-26 21:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Maldiro Selkurk
Malcanis wrote:
Azrael Dinn wrote:


Also when a new player starts the game he wont know anything about any skill plans like we do. He will train something what might be useless and that also consumes time alot...


In which case, advising him to spend extra money for even more skillpoints he won't know how to properly apply seems rather cruel.


CSM Malcanis,

If he decides to buy 1000 PLEX and then gets scammed out of them two days later a game mechanic that CCP already supports is this not more cruel?

If he misappropriates SPs he still has them even if they led to a messed up piloting skill plan; however, if he gets scammed out of billions worth of PLEX he ends up with nothing.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#166 - 2013-06-26 21:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Maldiro Selkurk
comment removed due to quoting wrong person.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Alexila Quant
Versatility Production Corporation' LLC
#167 - 2013-06-26 21:46:06 UTC
Maldiro Selkurk wrote:
Dear OP,

first about 50% of the respondents are doing the standard knee-jerk "No!" response with zero thought behind their responses, there are always a cluster of such respondents to any idea no matter how good or logically consistent that idea is, so just ignore them.


Your idea is 100% consistent with the sellout that CCP has made of EVE. You can PLEX your way to infinity wealth no issues, you can buy a pilot with a bazillion SPs, again no problem.

For those that are proposing he simply buy a bazaar pilot, that is fine if that suits him but why should this be his only option for instantly grabbing a bunch of SPs, there is no valid argument that this should be the only avenue available to him other than 'it already exists' and this is insufficient reasoning.

OP,

Your method of skill point acceleration is just an extension of logic CCP has already put into place and supported and I will add my own support of your idea as well not because i personally like the idea but because it is a consistent policy and there can be no valid justification why it should not be allowed.



Please kindly contract all of your assets to the account of Alexila Quant and be on your merry way.

Also,
No.
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#168 - 2013-06-26 21:50:48 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
See also:

-Removing L4 missions from hi-sec
-Adding a PvE only EVE server
-Making PvE occur in locked instances
-PvP flags
-A hundred other incredibly bad ideas that boil down to 'I should get free stuff and more skills and then claim that this is a good thing because it will "benefit new players"'



Artificially linking the OPs suggestion to suggestions that he never said he supports is unfair argumentation and in the end amounts to nothing more than a show of malice and belittlement on your part towards the OP.

Had this comment come from a regular forum poster i would not have bothered to respond to it but as a CSM i feel you must be held to the highest possible forum posting decorum.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Gorgoth24
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2013-06-26 21:54:05 UTC
-Enter Rage Here-

NO
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#170 - 2013-06-26 21:54:49 UTC
Quote:


Please kindly contract all of your assets to the account of Alexila Quant and be on your merry way.



this part i dont get, went over my head i guess.

Quote:


Also,
No.


You honestly made me laugh !

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#171 - 2013-06-27 06:47:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Malcanis wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
StoneCold wrote:
Only read the 1st post.

The idea was there like 1000 times allready. It´s bad. Nope, its even terrible. Maybe even terribad.
NO.

If you want plex-for-skilltime -> char bazaar this way.


when it was there a 1000 times, then maybe because there is an issue, no?


The issue is that the kind of person who thinks that it's a good idea tends to be the kind of person who thinks that they're the first to have thought of it and that they shouldn't bother to look to see if has already been raised and shown to be terrible.


like many others you just ignore the issue because it only is an issue for newer players, as CSM you should however have a ear also for newbs

as CSM you may also rethink how you talk to people, I blocked you some time ago because you get personal pretty often to people, and you like giving new people the feeling that they feel stupid, not sure why you need that but as a CSM you might rethink that tactic

I also mentiond already that it could be added with certain restrictions, so just 1-3 month of additional skill-time via plex per year

I hardly believe plexing 1 or 2 month of additional skill-time would be a big problem for the game

the additional cash flow could be used by CCP to invest in bigger expansions

they even could make it possible to just plex skillpoints right after the expansion is launched, so it would be an additional motivation for players who left to come back to the game

there are many advantages if it is used wisely

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Elizabeth Aideron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2013-06-27 07:35:24 UTC
The new expansion has buffed laser ships a lot. Please use the piles of PLEX we have from botting and moons to get the SP for them at once, so we can have even more of an advantage.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#173 - 2013-06-27 09:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Malcanis wrote:
no

sentence substitute
1.= not at all, certainly not, of course not, absolutely not, never, no way, nay • `Any problems?' - `No, everything's fine.'
opposites: yes, of course, certainly

noun
2.= refusal, rejection, denial, negation, veto • My answer to that is an emphatic no.
opposites: acceptance, consent, assent


thanks for your thoughtful explanation by the way, always good to have CSMs with keen insight

you might consider not trolling in your comments though, you have extreme tendency to do it all the time

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#174 - 2013-06-27 09:24:57 UTC
I see that you're using "trolling" in the modern sense of "disagreeing with me in a way I can't effectively argue against so I'll claim you hurt my feelings".

I feel no obligation whatsoever, either moral or professional, to give bad, self-serving, destructive ideas any respect whatsoever. No doubt you're a perfectly fine person, and I have no doubt I'd be happy to meet you in real life, but a rejection of your bad idea (and it's a terrible horrible bad idea) need not be construed as an attack on you personally. Unless you want it to be, in which case have at it.

I don't want you to feel bad. I am not interested in making you "mad". I just want your proposal to be discredited and rejected.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#175 - 2013-06-27 09:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Malcanis wrote:
I see that you're using "trolling" in the modern sense of "disagreeing with me in a way I can't effectively argue against so I'll claim you hurt my feelings".

I feel no obligation whatsoever, either moral or professional, to give bad, self-serving, destructive ideas any respect whatsoever. No doubt you're a perfectly fine person, and I have no doubt I'd be happy to meet you in real life, but a rejection of your bad idea (and it's a terrible horrible bad idea) need not be construed as an attack on you personally. Unless you want it to be, in which case have at it.

I don't want you to feel bad. I am not interested in making you "mad". I just want your proposal to be discredited and rejected.


look at your comments, you basically said "NO", that was your only argument, no content nothing behind it, you just talk without giving any explanation why it is a bad idea

so please give us more insight, why and be precise, why would it damage the game to be able to purchase 1-3 month of additional skilltime a year with plex

you might did notice already to buy unlimited skilltime is from the table

I'm unable to disagree with you at this point simply because you did not bring up your opinion yet, instead of comparing the idea with others or just saying "NO"

please when you put together your argument stick to the restriction 1-3 month plexable skilltime per year

thanks

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#176 - 2013-06-27 10:14:21 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I see that you're using "trolling" in the modern sense of "disagreeing with me in a way I can't effectively argue against so I'll claim you hurt my feelings".

I feel no obligation whatsoever, either moral or professional, to give bad, self-serving, destructive ideas any respect whatsoever. No doubt you're a perfectly fine person, and I have no doubt I'd be happy to meet you in real life, but a rejection of your bad idea (and it's a terrible horrible bad idea) need not be construed as an attack on you personally. Unless you want it to be, in which case have at it.

I don't want you to feel bad. I am not interested in making you "mad". I just want your proposal to be discredited and rejected.


look at your comments, you basically said "NO", that was your only argument, no content nothing behind it, you just talk without giving any explanation why it is a bad idea


You'll note that I made a second post that explained why.

In short, it's a great deal less effort for someone to spew out a terrible idea than it is to comprehensively explain why it's terrible. Rather than spend hours rehashing exactly the same arguments, it's much more efficient to say "No way, and look at similar threads posted previously on the same topic to see why I'm saying No way".

That's all the response this dreadful proposal deserves.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#177 - 2013-06-27 11:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Malcanis wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I see that you're using "trolling" in the modern sense of "disagreeing with me in a way I can't effectively argue against so I'll claim you hurt my feelings".

I feel no obligation whatsoever, either moral or professional, to give bad, self-serving, destructive ideas any respect whatsoever. No doubt you're a perfectly fine person, and I have no doubt I'd be happy to meet you in real life, but a rejection of your bad idea (and it's a terrible horrible bad idea) need not be construed as an attack on you personally. Unless you want it to be, in which case have at it.

I don't want you to feel bad. I am not interested in making you "mad". I just want your proposal to be discredited and rejected.


look at your comments, you basically said "NO", that was your only argument, no content nothing behind it, you just talk without giving any explanation why it is a bad idea


You'll note that I made a second post that explained why.

In short, it's a great deal less effort for someone to spew out a terrible idea than it is to comprehensively explain why it's terrible. Rather than spend hours rehashing exactly the same arguments, it's much more efficient to say "No way, and look at similar threads posted previously on the same topic to see why I'm saying No way".

That's all the response this dreadful proposal deserves.


you explain nothing, and you are not looking at the details in my suggestion, you just brought up other issues where you said "NO" as well, you even prefer to write another 4 lines of nothing instead of 1 line of explanation, I'm sure you understand why I put you on my blocklist again, you do not put any effort into the discussion therefore I will not put any effort into reading through your trolllish comments anymore

at the end I'm sure those threads will not stop until CCP comes up with a solution which works for everybody and not just for a few, at some point you will get that, however I'm pretty sure as well, with your attitude, you will not be the one coming up with that groundbreaking idea

ciao

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
xxBLACK SKULLxx 929
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS
#178 - 2013-06-27 12:20:02 UTC
If your just going to buy your skills don't for get to buy your Permit from the New Order.................


CareBears these days *Shakes Head*


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suid0
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#179 - 2013-06-27 12:56:35 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

at the end I'm sure those threads will not stop until CCP comes up with a solution which works for everybody and not just for a few


Pretty sure the current system works for everyone... the same for everyone..

the entire enemy support fleet is dead except for one interdictor a titan could easily finish off with drones  - Commander Ted
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#180 - 2013-06-27 13:31:11 UTC
suid0 wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

at the end I'm sure those threads will not stop until CCP comes up with a solution which works for everybody and not just for a few


Pretty sure the current system works for everyone... the same for everyone..


why do those threads pop up then so often? don't you think thats because people have an issue with the current system?

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm