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Should remove PLEX as a form of payment... pull the free to play

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-06-27 07:40:27 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:


You don't have to pve to buy plex. The largest sums of isk i've ever acquired were not shooting red boxes in anomalies, but bilking idiots of money. I do both, but you can still play for plex and never once ever shoot A Rat.

Very good point. Market and contract pvp is still pvp. When I say pve though, I am not just talking about ratting, I mean all of it. To me, mining and industry are right up there with shooting rats in my list of "I'd rather slam my fingers in a door than do these things".
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#22 - 2013-06-27 07:43:11 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:

The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.




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pussnheels
Viziam
#23 - 2013-06-27 07:49:49 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.


there is no free to play , somebody paid with Real money for that plex and the person paying with a plex jusr is rewarded for being a online a long time

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#24 - 2013-06-27 07:50:45 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.




Posting in a Stealth "How to kill the game in one easy step" thread.

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-06-27 07:52:32 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder


Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches. And damn if I'm going to slave in a game to pay for it.

CCP may prefer a roller coaster revenue stream, but just look what content it delivers. Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now.

Yeah, a consistent revenue stream has it's merits. $14.95 isn't really that expensive, considering that is the price for 1 movie outing a month (or a meal at a mid level restaurant...even poor college students could afford it).

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2013-06-27 07:59:24 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder


Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches. And damn if I'm going to slave in a game to pay for it.

CCP may prefer a roller coaster revenue stream, but just look what content it delivers. Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now.

Yeah, a consistent revenue stream has it's merits. $14.95 isn't really that expensive, considering that is the price for 1 movie outing a month (or a meal at a mid level restaurant...even poor college students could afford it).

ActiBlizz also has a revenue stream that crosses damn near every game genre in existence. The same cannot be said for CCP. Even they are prone to some rough **** every once in a while.

You know what CCP does when they want to produce a spike in revenue while simultaneously easing up the in game market? PLEX sales. Offer ten PLEX for $120 (or whatever it is), and every nerd is ready to come out of pocket pretty quick. Well, except for the poor people, but they don't count anyway.
Deano McCandless
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-06-27 08:02:16 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
[Meanwhile over at WoW, they're churning out new content in 90 day cycles now..


Churn. Good choice of words, handsome. Its not really new content though is it? Its the exact same thing with different sprites and a higher difficulty curve.

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Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#28 - 2013-06-27 08:05:17 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder


Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches.
So this means that you don't somewhere down there enjoy reading about someone who didn't think it through and moved 36 PLEXes in a frigate on a busy Jita day?

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AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#29 - 2013-06-27 08:10:16 UTC
Ive got a reasonably large amount of isk now, enough to last me for a long time and yet i still pay for the sub. The reason i pay is that this game is my hobby, i have disposable income and a lack of play time and therefore id rather have the isk to buy ships. I have also in the past bought a fair few plex for the same reasons and sold them onto characters who will use that for their game time.

I dont have problem with that because it allows more people to play and the more people playing the better, i aslo understand that not everyone is like me. I simply dont have the time or inclination to grind isk to pay in plex. But there is simply no argument you could come up with that would convince me that plex is a bad system.

AndromacheDarkstar
Integrated Insterstellar Holdings
#30 - 2013-06-27 08:12:35 UTC
Ill add that if you find the PVP and PVE worthless and boring then this may not be the right game for you. The exits over there, i hope the door hits you on the way out
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#31 - 2013-06-27 08:14:24 UTC  |  Edited by: destiny2
players that buy plex for that nice shiney ship are the ones putting them on the market.

Scenario 1

Poster gets plexes to be removed.

Scenario 2

Poster Wants a titan the realizes **** grinding, with even 5 toons is still hard to grind isk for a titan
then realizes oh i wish i could buy some plexes too.

Scenario 3.

Poster is eathier someone who is to stupid to actually realise what a contract actually says and got scammed.

I'm gonna go with all of the above. Obviously he read a contract wrong and got scammed Shocked
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2013-06-27 08:16:06 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.



Well, if th egame is that bad, the door is over there. Don't let it hit you on the ass as it closes behind you
Lexmana
#33 - 2013-06-27 08:16:16 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.


PLEX was a brilliant idea by CCP. It means they can avoid crappy F2P mechanics that doesn't suit a game like EVE and keep the subscription model while fighting RMT at the same time. If you have a better idea than PLEX, please enlighten us.
Six Six Six
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-06-27 08:31:25 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.




If you think this game is junk, why are you still here?

People do pay one way or another, if it be by currency or helping keep the numbers up in-game.

All active accounts are paid for, the only thing is that if you use isk to buy PLEX and use that PLEX to extend game time someone else has paid for your account via an in-game trade. This of course depends upon how you look at it, do you consider that the account has been paid for at the time someone buys the PLEX from CCP or do you consider the account is paid for at time of use of the PLEX where you could then argue that you've paid for that account yourself using isk.

But either way all active accounts are paid for.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#35 - 2013-06-27 09:17:38 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.




Suck my **** newb.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-06-27 09:19:46 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder


Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches.
So this means that you don't somewhere down there enjoy reading about someone who didn't think it through and moved 36 PLEXes in a frigate on a busy Jita day?


No, as I don't approve of thieving. Never did. Never will.

I play noble knights in shining armor, not rogues who like doing it from behind like cowards.

And yes, that's in EvE, too.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#37 - 2013-06-27 09:35:38 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Ace Uoweme wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder


Not me. I never believed in this F2P scam, as there is no free lunches.
So this means that you don't somewhere down there enjoy reading about someone who didn't think it through and moved 36 PLEXes in a frigate on a busy Jita day?


No, as I don't approve of thieving. Never did. Never will.

I play noble knights in shining armor, not rogues who like doing it from behind like cowards.

And yes, that's in EvE, too.

Who said anything about stealing? I was merely pointing to maybe not thought through decisions be it moving PLEX in a Frig or announcing doing so first hand. Had nothing to do with knighting. But good for you then.

I change my statement to everyone minus some pilots.

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ACE McFACE
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-06-27 09:56:40 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
I will never understand people who think like this. I pay my Eve sub with real money. Why? Time efficiency. Even if I enjoyed Eve's PVE (which I do not), it would make more sense to just pay my sub with cash rather than PLEX. Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr (assuming a $17 per hour irl pay rate) without either a massive investment, or serious risk involved. Just because I pay my sub with cash, doesn't mean that I contribute anything more than a person who PLEXes their account. In fact, I probably contribute less, because they are having to perform in game actions to keep their subs rolling, whereas I am not.

So, having established that is is better to work and pay sub than grind for sub time:

do you also grind isk for your ships?

Thats different. For example, I'm willing to pay real money for the privilege to play Internet Spaceships Swimming in Mollases Simulator 2013(tm). But I am not willing to pay real money for the spaceships themselves, it kind of takes away from half the experience of EVE. Even if that half is a bit dull.

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-06-27 09:56:42 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Who said anything about stealing? I was merely pointing to maybe not thought through decisions be it moving PLEX in a Frig or announcing doing so first hand. Had nothing to do with knighting. But good for you then.

I change my statement to everyone minus some pilots.


It's implied as who would rub their hands together and yell, "NICE!!!" at that idea?

If you're moral enough you'll consider it not something to steal and give it back even.

But thanks for putting a conditional in there, as people in even EvE can be moral/ethical (no game changes that compass to me...I'm the straightest shooter you'll ever see).

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#40 - 2013-06-27 10:04:54 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:


But thanks for putting a conditional in there, as people in even EvE can be moral/ethical (no game changes that compass to me...I'm the straightest shooter you'll ever see).



I am inclined to disbelieve this

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