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Should remove PLEX as a form of payment... pull the free to play

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Franco Stein
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-27 05:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Franco Stein
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.
REMOVE PLEX and get rid of the PAY to Win model..

Don't buy Plex.... it's Steroids ...
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-06-27 05:34:00 UTC
I will never understand people who think like this. I pay my Eve sub with real money. Why? Time efficiency. Even if I enjoyed Eve's PVE (which I do not), it would make more sense to just pay my sub with cash rather than PLEX. Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr (assuming a $17 per hour irl pay rate) without either a massive investment, or serious risk involved. Just because I pay my sub with cash, doesn't mean that I contribute anything more than a person who PLEXes their account. In fact, I probably contribute less, because they are having to perform in game actions to keep their subs rolling, whereas I am not.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-27 05:39:17 UTC
The way things are now, if PLEX didn't exist, I doubt EvE would have more than 200k subs. A lot of that 500k are extra accounts (as it took more than 1 account to raise another toon until this expansion). Only way to pay for that with kids is to PLEX for "free" game time.

I sub, as it's a better way to budget (set price a month). Ironically, it's due to that set price that allows having more than 1 account. F2P model and all the nickel and diming is how it stays afloat, but devs can't budget like that. Which is also why I believe Blizzard continues on the subscription model for WoW, as it's a consistent cashflow to budget with each month.

Micro pay model is what kids enjoy, but in reality there's no free lunch. Any F2P scheme out there is paid for by other means (CCP does the "free" expansions and all by PLEX and time-code sales). They're just deferring the cost onto others paying for it (leeches).

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2013-06-27 05:50:50 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
I will never understand people who think like this. I pay my Eve sub with real money. Why? Time efficiency. Even if I enjoyed Eve's PVE (which I do not), it would make more sense to just pay my sub with cash rather than PLEX. Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr (assuming a $17 per hour irl pay rate) without either a massive investment, or serious risk involved. Just because I pay my sub with cash, doesn't mean that I contribute anything more than a person who PLEXes their account. In fact, I probably contribute less, because they are having to perform in game actions to keep their subs rolling, whereas I am not.

So, having established that is is better to work and pay sub than grind for sub time:

do you also grind isk for your ships?

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Bloody Wench
#5 - 2013-06-27 06:07:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#6 - 2013-06-27 06:17:23 UTC
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Telemicus Thrace
Lucky Fedo Trading Co.
#7 - 2013-06-27 06:25:15 UTC
PLEX is a great option and is going nowhere. The key point being missed is that all PLEX are paid for with real money. Once bought that PLEX can be used for game time, AUR, training a second character or traded with another player for ISK.

CCP still get the money, RMT takes a kick in the guts and we have more players in the game. I fail to see an issue.

Personally I play the game way more since I switched to PLEX. More active players should have a voice regardless whose dollars went to CCP.
Bloody Wench
#8 - 2013-06-27 06:35:32 UTC
Telemicus Thrace wrote:
PLEX is a great option and is going nowhere. The key point being missed is that all PLEX are paid for with real money. Once bought that PLEX can be used for game time, AUR, training a second character or traded with another player for ISK.

CCP still get the money, RMT takes a kick in the guts and we have more players in the game. I fail to see an issue.

Personally I play the game way more since I switched to PLEX. More active players should have a voice regardless whose dollars went to CCP.



You bring up a good point.

I'm active because I have to be if I want to continue to sub.
Out there doing 'stuff'.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-06-27 06:42:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
I will never understand people who think like this. I pay my Eve sub with real money. Why? Time efficiency. Even if I enjoyed Eve's PVE (which I do not), it would make more sense to just pay my sub with cash rather than PLEX. Show me anywhere in the game that I can make 500-600m ISK/hr (assuming a $17 per hour irl pay rate) without either a massive investment, or serious risk involved. Just because I pay my sub with cash, doesn't mean that I contribute anything more than a person who PLEXes their account. In fact, I probably contribute less, because they are having to perform in game actions to keep their subs rolling, whereas I am not.

So, having established that is is better to work and pay sub than grind for sub time:

do you also grind isk for your ships?

I'm in faction warfare. The pvp practically pays for itself, assuming you don't lose shiny ships on a constant basis. But to answer your question a bit more directly, no, not anymore. I did my time in missions, saved up a couple of billion, realized I hated the pve, and never really looked back. If I need the ISK that bad, I can have a few bil again at the low cost of a few hours at work irl.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-06-27 06:51:23 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:

grrr I'm spacepoor

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-06-27 06:51:32 UTC
Franco Stein wrote:
REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.


so, you mean that, besides the trial accounts, there are subs out there that are free? how in the nine hells they do that? credit card fraud?

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Telemicus Thrace
Lucky Fedo Trading Co.
#12 - 2013-06-27 06:53:06 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:


You bring up a good point.

I'm active because I have to be if I want to continue to sub.
Out there doing 'stuff'.


Indeed, and when that stuff includes research, mining, production or anything that puts stuff into the economy it drives supply up and prices down.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-06-27 06:56:43 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:

grrr I'm irlpoor


Fixed that for you. They're usually the only ones who whine about "pay to win" in any form.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#14 - 2013-06-27 07:13:39 UTC
Remove PLEX and everyone would be so much sadder, not only those that will stop playing, but also you won't have all the lolmails of some pilot moving 36 PLEXes in a Kestrel... why you want us to be sad?

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RaTTuS
BIG
#15 - 2013-06-27 07:17:37 UTC
it's not free to play - someone always pays
it removes some RMT styles

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Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-06-27 07:22:30 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:

grrr I'm irlpoor


Fixed that for you. They're usually the only ones who whine about "pay to win" in any form.

Pay to win is crap and if you blow tons of cash in pay 2 win games, the only thing that you have over a poor person is that you're a sucker and you have no idea what your money is worth.

That said, plex are not pay to win and they actually have the opposite effect of pay to win games, as it pretty much enables people with tighter budgets to play indefinitely for less or no money.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#17 - 2013-06-27 07:27:19 UTC
OP logic: If people say things I don't like, it means they sub their accounts with PLEX. Therefore, PLEX must be removed to improve PVP.

Oh god.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-06-27 07:28:27 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Franco Stein wrote:

grrr I'm irlpoor


Fixed that for you. They're usually the only ones who whine about "pay to win" in any form.

Pay to win is crap and if you blow tons of cash in pay 2 win games, the only thing that you have over a poor person is that you're a sucker and you have no idea what your money is worth.

That said, plex are not pay to win and they actually have the opposite effect of pay to win games, as it pretty much enables people with tighter budgets to play indefinitely for less or no money.

To address your first point: money is worth no more than what anyone believes it is. It has no intrinsic value at all. The dollar is worth no more than ISK to the right (wrong?) person.

To address your second: it goes both ways, unless of course someone is buying PLEX from CCP then handing it out to players for free. The person who bought it still gets the ISK for it. While I don't view it as pay to win (more like pay to avoid ****** pve) some would argue otherwise.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-06-27 07:30:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Proletariat Tingtango
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smokess
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-06-27 07:37:03 UTC  |  Edited by: smokess
Franco Stein wrote:
been reading the forums and see you all trolling about what this game is.... mostly it's a sandbox.

This game is junk with its entrenched player base that pays nothing to play and makes the most noise.
The PVP is worthless and the PVE is boring.

REMOVE PLEX and make people pay for this game out of pocket to have real players who contribute.



Your thought process is nonsensical.

1. CCP makes more money from PLEX purchasers than they do from regular subscription fees.

2. How does someone paying for PLEX with ISK affect 'the sandbox'? Paying for ISK by buying PLEX maybe.

3. How would people paying for the game 'out of pocket' make PvP and PvE better?

4. 'Entrenched player base that pays nothing' means nothing. CCP don't seed PLEX onto the market unless special circumstances occur within which they need to stabilise the prices of them. All PLEX you see in Jita, Rens, Dodixie - anywhere for that matter - have been bought by a player and CCP have received revenue from them.


Now **** off.
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