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L2 missions or something else for isk? Saving for a drake

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Lelouch Heika
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-27 03:58:08 UTC
I have around 13.5 million isk right now, still around 55 million more for a drake + decent fitting. Should I just grind L2 missions at around 1.8 million isk per hour (around 37 hours of straight mission grinding to reach my goal) or should I do something else?

Also, when I do L2 missions, should I just blitz or try to kill the rats?

Thanks
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-27 05:08:28 UTC
Well there's 2 ways to do it if you wat to run missions do the whole thing for bounties or run them for lp which you can trade for items and sell for Isk. It's been a long time since i seriously ran missions but I know implants usually sell steadily mainly +3s & +4s, but you can still cash in lp even if you run missions for bounties.

Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if you're in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post

lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-27 05:28:01 UTC
Not trolling, but do keep in mind that flying that Drake without sufficient support skills will see it get blown up rather easily, and if you have a save for a long time to get it, you won't be able to replace it easily.
Lelouch Heika
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-06-27 05:47:23 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Not trolling, but do keep in mind that flying that Drake without sufficient support skills will see it get blown up rather easily, and if you have a save for a long time to get it, you won't be able to replace it easily.


I have most support skills at 3, by the time I have a drake the majority will be 4.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-06-27 07:45:06 UTC
lollerwaffle wrote:
Not trolling, but do keep in mind that flying that Drake without sufficient support skills will see it get blown up rather easily, and if you have a save for a long time to get it, you won't be able to replace it easily.


Can I second what lollerwaffle said. I would suggest spending the money that you already have on a good solid cruiser. Sorry I am Amarr only, so don't know what the Caldari version of the Maller is.

But a good simple to fly Cruiser will let you solo almost all level 3 missions, and that way you will see your isk flow grow a lot bigger.
Once BC's used to be just cruisers that have been force fed steroids, but the class has evolved some and needs a bit more finesse today, to fly well and get the most out of them
Helgrind Wolf
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-27 08:25:44 UTC
My basic drake is about 90m isk I think? Go for a caracal for now its a very similar ship and if you loose it its not as much of a hit.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-06-27 08:35:09 UTC
there are lots of options for making ISK including selling PLEX. if you invest some time and elbow grease, you should be able to come up with a better method than grinding lvl2 missions. (for example, google michi's excavation augmentor)

I should buy an Ishtar.

SabersKunk Dallocort
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#8 - 2013-06-27 09:28:23 UTC
"saving for a Drake" sounds like a bad beat story waiting to happen.

From what I've picked up so far if you need to save for something then it's probably a bad idea to undock from a station with it.
Dorrann
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-06-27 10:52:53 UTC
Saving up for the ship implies that youre going to be pretty skint after the purchase. Be very careful about flying that ship until you have the cash to replace it a couple of times. Dont sell off assets to get new ones. If you lose the new stuff, your shafted if you dont have a fallback.

Personally, I would consider some high-sec scanning in a smaller ship to see if you can strike lucky on a couple faction modules or something.
Run a few Anomalies or easier combat sites, if the loot gods smile on you you can rake in over 100mil from an easy combat site while flying a frigate/destroyer sized vessel.

I did it in an Algos on my main (he had the drone skills to eventually complete a Serpentis Phi-Outpost DED4/10), but would say its still doable in a well fitted Corax or Cormorant if you fly it right
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-27 11:07:51 UTC
Personally I use a Caracal for L2's and even some L3's and I also carry 2 salvage drones and kill everything...don't knock grabbing salvage as at your stage it can help quickly build up your isk balance.

Don't forget mining either, even a basic fit Venturer will bring in more than L2's. Just mix them both to get a bit of variety.

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.

Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-06-27 11:11:44 UTC
SabersKunk Dallocort wrote:
"saving for a Drake" sounds like a bad beat story waiting to happen.

From what I've picked up so far if you need to save for something then it's probably a bad idea to undock from a station with it.


Every last new pilot who doesn't "plex it" tends to save for their first "bigger" ships. This is extremely common and they do tend to fly things they can't really afford to lose - as in "easily replace".

First BC, first BS... Those tend to be very expensive and something they have to save for but they also tend to earn that value back fairly fast if they do lose it.

As for the OP:

Save up running the missions. Clear them - the bounties tend to be around half your income and LP earnings are extremely trivial for the lower end missions so "blitzing" won't help much.

Don't sell your cruiser to buy the BC. Keep it. If something happens, you won't be climbing back into a frigate to try and earn back up.

Level 3's are a fairly big step up from level 2's - both in income and difficulty so be cautious about what you do when you first start to do them. Be prepared to warp out early in fights until you have banked up enough to "afford to lose it".

Better to warp out and come back than to lose your ship when it means climbing back into a smaller ship that can't really handle the better income missions.
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#12 - 2013-06-27 12:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Lelouch Heika wrote:
should I do something else?


What a bunch of crappy advice...don't forget mining?...yes, forget mining.

I'd say do something else. Take some risks with things you can afford to loose and either take a trip to .1 and .2 systems to look for the expense clone soldier tags in the belts or fit up a tech I scan boat and look for a backdoor wormhole to null sec to find data/relic sites. Don't do WH relic/data sites they still have sleeper rats.

Either one of those even semi-successful will bring in hundreds of millions not tens....and it's much more fun.
Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#13 - 2013-06-27 13:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Solai
Here's an idea if you do grind missions...

Step 1) Create market buy orders in your mission hub for the locally-produced salvage and meta-4's, as well as high-end minerals.
Step 2) advertise to salvagers that you're running missions and will sell your site locations when finished for a low price. Determining the right price could take some research or spreadsheeting, or just lowball it to attract takers.
Step 3) Grind missions, save the bookmarks, sell the bookmarks.
Step 4) Keep your buy orders updated, with the best price, so that you're buying as much of the product as you can. Use Eve-Central.com to look up the going rate in Jita/wherever.
Step 5) After you have enough m3 to fill a hauler's hold from passive market buys, haul the results of your buy orders to the local trade hub.

Grinding is one way to make money... But investing your money to make it work for you 23/7 is more productive, and is not SP-limited.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-27 13:30:56 UTC
Solai wrote:
Here's an idea if you do grind missions...

Step 1) Create market buy orders in your mission hub for the locally-produced salvage and meta-4's, as well as high-end minerals.
Step 2) advertise to salvagers that you're running missions and will sell your site locations when finished for a low price. Determining the right price could take some research or spreadsheeting, or just lowball it to attract takers.
Step 3) Grind missions, save the bookmarks, sell the bookmarks.
Step 4) Keep your buy orders updated, with the best price, so that you're buying as much of the product as you can. Use Eve-Central.com to look up the going rate in Jita/wherever.
Step 5) After you have enough m3 to fill a hauler's hold from passive market buys, haul the results of your buy orders to the local trade hub.

Grinding is one way to make money... But investing your money to make it work for you 23/7 is more productive, and is not SP-limited.


I'd forgotten about some of the selling stuff.

Find lowsec threshold systems - highsec side. Put up pricy shuttles & warp core stabs for sale there.

They tend to sell even being "over priced" a bit. It seems pods returning from "oops..." and those heading in going "forgot..." will stop and buy such things at these systems vs "go to Jita" - for some odd reason.

I made a bit doing this really early on.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#15 - 2013-06-27 15:55:24 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Lelouch Heika wrote:
should I do something else?


What a bunch of crappy advice...don't forget mining?...yes, forget mining.

I'd say do something else. Take some risks with things you can afford to loose and either take a trip to .1 and .2 systems to look for the expense clone soldier tags in the belts or fit up a tech I scan boat and look for a backdoor wormhole to null sec to find data/relic sites. Don't do WH relic/data sites they still have sleeper rats.

Either one of those even semi-successful will bring in hundreds of millions not tens....and it's much more fun.


If it's that easy you must be swimming in trillions. Why not give him the 60 million instead of trolling him into destruction? Have yet to meet the new player that can go on your trip and come back with his ship.

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#16 - 2013-06-27 16:16:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Radius Prime wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Lelouch Heika wrote:
should I do something else?


What a bunch of crappy advice...don't forget mining?...yes, forget mining.

I'd say do something else. Take some risks with things you can afford to loose and either take a trip to .1 and .2 systems to look for the expense clone soldier tags in the belts or fit up a tech I scan boat and look for a backdoor wormhole to null sec to find data/relic sites. Don't do WH relic/data sites they still have sleeper rats.

Either one of those even semi-successful will bring in hundreds of millions not tens....and it's much more fun.


If it's that easy you must be swimming in trillions. Why not give him the 60 million instead of trolling him into destruction? Have yet to meet the new player that can go on your trip and come back with his ship.



Yes, swimming in trillions would describe my main's wallet. It was earned taking risks rather than being a risk adverse moron grinding missions. Would you mind pointing out where I tell him to take something he can't afford to loose?...or where he tells us he's a risk adverse moron?

Shove that trolling bullshit up your ass.


(Figured I'd add you or your corp has no combat record...sooo what low or null experience do you have to even know what you're talking about?)
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-06-27 17:44:07 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Lelouch Heika wrote:
should I do something else?


What a bunch of crappy advice...don't forget mining?...yes, forget mining.

I'd say do something else. Take some risks with things you can afford to loose and either take a trip to .1 and .2 systems to look for the expense clone soldier tags in the belts or fit up a tech I scan boat and look for a backdoor wormhole to null sec to find data/relic sites. Don't do WH relic/data sites they still have sleeper rats.

Either one of those even semi-successful will bring in hundreds of millions not tens....and it's much more fun.


Do this. Its risky but 1 transporter tag will pay for the drake
Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-06-27 17:49:23 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Lelouch Heika wrote:
should I do something else?


What a bunch of crappy advice...don't forget mining?...yes, forget mining.

I'd say do something else. Take some risks with things you can afford to loose and either take a trip to .1 and .2 systems to look for the expense clone soldier tags in the belts or fit up a tech I scan boat and look for a backdoor wormhole to null sec to find data/relic sites. Don't do WH relic/data sites they still have sleeper rats.

Either one of those even semi-successful will bring in hundreds of millions not tens....and it's much more fun.


Do this. Its risky but 1 transporter tag will pay for the drake


And in the pursuit of said tag he will (probably) lose what little isk he has replacing ships and be left destitute.

So my last advice would be go buy a venturer, a couple of drones and mining lasers (just in case).

Solecist Project...." They refuse to play by the rules and laws of the game and use it as excuse ..." " They don't care about how you play as long as they get to play how they want."

Welcome to EVE.

Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#19 - 2013-06-27 18:32:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Radius Prime
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Radius Prime wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Lelouch Heika wrote:
should I do something else?


What a bunch of crappy advice...don't forget mining?...yes, forget mining.

I'd say do something else. Take some risks with things you can afford to loose and either take a trip to .1 and .2 systems to look for the expense clone soldier tags in the belts or fit up a tech I scan boat and look for a backdoor wormhole to null sec to find data/relic sites. Don't do WH relic/data sites they still have sleeper rats.

Either one of those even semi-successful will bring in hundreds of millions not tens....and it's much more fun.


If it's that easy you must be swimming in trillions. Why not give him the 60 million instead of trolling him into destruction? Have yet to meet the new player that can go on your trip and come back with his ship.



Yes, swimming in trillions would describe my main's wallet. It was earned taking risks rather than being a risk adverse moron grinding missions. Would you mind pointing out where I tell him to take something he can't afford to loose?...or where he tells us he's a risk adverse moron?

Shove that trolling bullshit up your ass.


(Figured I'd add you or your corp has no combat record...sooo what low or null experience do you have to even know what you're talking about?)


You the only one with an alt? Seen your posts all over the place here. None are helpful, most are impolite and a ton need correcting by the ISD staff for being insulting to new players. Why don't you take your trolling and gtfo?

My guess is you are such a worthless player you need to get your kicks out of insulting the newbies on these forums.

Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first.

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#20 - 2013-06-28 00:34:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Minmatar Citizen160812
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Lelouch Heika wrote:
should I do something else?


What a bunch of crappy advice...don't forget mining?...yes, forget mining.

I'd say do something else. Take some risks with things you can afford to loose and either take a trip to .1 and .2 systems to look for the expense clone soldier tags in the belts or fit up a tech I scan boat and look for a backdoor wormhole to null sec to find data/relic sites. Don't do WH relic/data sites they still have sleeper rats.

Either one of those even semi-successful will bring in hundreds of millions not tens....and it's much more fun.


Do this. Its risky but 1 transporter tag will pay for the drake


Yep, don't listen to these other guys telling you to be a scared lil'sissy Mary afraid to loose a few cheap ships. They're just mad someone is here telling people to do other stuff than joining a zombie tax monkey corp and selling ore to them for "competitive" rates. You'd be surprised how many "nice" people in high sec are really gigantic assholes with an inferiority complex and poor understanding of game mechanics.

Edit:
Also, don't trust advice from someone telling you to get a venturer when the ship is called a Venture.
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