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How to setup a good boosting alt?

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#21 - 2013-06-26 20:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Holy ****, I wasn't even insulting you for being bad at pvp and your going to get all uptight about it? Lots of folks in my corp use boosts. What does that have to do with me?

Crosi Wesdo wrote:

Challenging was me tackling a dual propped loki boosted HG snaked dram that was considerably faster than me in my 13m isk scram maulus. All you guys do is blob people with 10mn coercers. Hardly a challenge specuially since you have 4 corp standing boosters running links from posses across 3 systems. But it all has its place. At least my booster is potentially a target.

Without boosts, my maulus would just die to the first drone that came along.


You stated you use boosts because you have to in order to fight outnumbered and such. I simply said it far more rewarding to fight like that without boosts.


You are implying you dont use boosts. You do. Ive personally given you loki boosts just so you can catch up to people i have tackled....

All im saying is that the boosts makes the maulus viable in situations where otherwise it would simply diaf. Challenging isnt even part of the equation.

Cearain wrote:
I'm not so sure. The maulus you fly is good due to the dampening and the way you use your drones. Sure if you didn't have the loki it wouldn't be so easy. But it still might work.


Even my boosted maulus is 4-5 volleyed by warrior 2's if they actually catch me in a turn. I have lost somewhere in the region of 60 maulus'. I bought another 50 a week ago because i intend to continue throwing them into stupid situations..
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#22 - 2013-06-26 21:31:10 UTC
So you might not be able to fight ships with warrior 2s after they force boosters on grid.

I don't think a t1 kiting frigate is supposed to be completely invulnerable. You will still be able to damp most ships in your class so they can't even target you past 13k. Thats still better than basic kiting parameters. You will actually have to pay attention while kiting like people did before boosters because you wont be abel to point people out to 30k. But that isn't so bad. In fact I would say kiting versus brawling used to be pretty well balanced before boosters screwed it all up.

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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#23 - 2013-06-26 21:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Cearain wrote:
In fact I would say kiting versus brawling used to be pretty well balanced before boosters screwed it all up.


Disclaimer: I would prefer boosts to be removed from the game, especially OGB.

Coming from a pilot who has a dedicated max skilled loki alt, I primarily end up using my boosts for brawling not kiting. A fast, 16km scram is hell for a kiting pilot, and boosts don't help for agility (beyond the basic 10% from skills).

As such, IMO MWD kiting would have a harder time in game if everyone had higher speed and 16km scrams (and 42km points) since agility can still be exploited to, IMO, easier slingshot to scram range and shut down an MWD. Not to mention that the person hitting heat on the MWD has the advantage as well while the other pilot has to wait to heat to compensate (and boosts amplify the heat advantage as well).
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#24 - 2013-06-26 22:06:15 UTC
Cearain wrote:
So you might not be able to fight ships with warrior 2s after they force boosters on grid.

I don't think a t1 kiting frigate is supposed to be completely invulnerable. You will still be able to damp most ships in your class so they can't even target you past 13k. Thats still better than basic kiting parameters. You will actually have to pay attention while kiting like people did before boosters because you wont be abel to point people out to 30k. But that isn't so bad. In fact I would say kiting versus brawling used to be pretty well balanced before boosters screwed it all up.


Invulnerable? im not sure if you saw me say i have lost over 60 maulus'.

If boosts ever have to be put on grid i simply wont fly the maulus against boats with a drone capability or that are likely to be faster than my unbonused speed. My toon is nearing perfect crosstraining, i only fly the maulus because in the current iteration it offers by far the widest engagement envelope.

I imagine there will still be a bunch of slicer pilots who complain that my implants give me too much of an advantage at that point.

C'est la vie.
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#25 - 2013-06-26 22:43:30 UTC
I think L0NEWARRIOR has the right attitude. The playing field is level so if the other team is playing with yellow shoes and winning because of that, then you would be well advised to learn from that and buy a pair of yellow shoes yourself....

Crosi's first post was informative and right on the mark. Sorry to see some people crawl up his ass because of their own frustrations. In nullsec fleets never roll out without bonuses. Often times it takes the form of a command ship that is right there on the field but we use loki's and tengu's a lot too.

It's just part of the game. Just like you wouldn't put T1 launchers on your drake or roll out in a buffer tanked fleet without logi, the bonus ship is just another force multiplier.

In terms of FC'ing against it. If your fleet isn't bonused then just add 20% to their numbers (even if you can't see the bonus ship) and ask yourself if you can still take them.

For solo work... meh. Even unbonused you'll win more than 50% if you're not a total idiot. In some cases, as in the case of the maulus it might be the only way to make a particular ship useful.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#26 - 2013-06-26 22:54:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Cearain
chatgris wrote:
Cearain wrote:
In fact I would say kiting versus brawling used to be pretty well balanced before boosters screwed it all up.


Disclaimer: I would prefer boosts to be removed from the game, especially OGB.

Coming from a pilot who has a dedicated max skilled loki alt, I primarily end up using my boosts for brawling not kiting. A fast, 16km scram is hell for a kiting pilot, and boosts don't help for agility (beyond the basic 10% from skills).

As such, IMO MWD kiting would have a harder time in game if everyone had higher speed and 16km scrams (and 42km points) since agility can still be exploited to, IMO, easier slingshot to scram range and shut down an MWD. Not to mention that the person hitting heat on the MWD has the advantage as well while the other pilot has to wait to heat to compensate (and boosts amplify the heat advantage as well).



The boosts help mwd kiters by giving them a much larger cushion to operate in. This is because they give a percentage bonus to range. Since disruptors have a larger range to begin with than do webs or scrams the cushion is larger.


No boosts the kiter has 13k for the web of the brawler (which won't always make the catch) and about 11k with heat for scram. T2 dsiruptor is 28 k with heat. That means the buffer zone is 15-17k.

With both boosted the 16k for the scram and 43 k for the disruptor. That means the mwd kiter has a 27 k buffer zone to work in. Neither side gets an agility bonus.


edit: BTW I am not sure about the actual numbers posted. Its just that the mwd will have a larger buffer because its getting the same percentage of a larger number.

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Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#27 - 2013-06-27 00:22:33 UTC
I dunno. Most pilots using OGB WERE unsuccessful at solo combat. Heh! You'll see a HUGE falloff in killz by those pilots when CCP finally figures out a way to remove the issue. Its funny. You can literary see correlations in the rise of a pilots "solo killz" and the time a pilot started using said off grid mechanics.

Mind you. When I went off using OGB for about 6 months with one of my characters. @ some point I started using it for everything including frigate 1 v 1's = ) I mean why am I paying for another account if I'm not going to use it? Just because I don't want some l0ser saying I have no honour and feeling shame and sh!t (fu*k that)?.... I R A BOSS!

Anyway.

Most pilots who use OGB DO NOT believe solo is viable or at-least they don't believe their capable of doing it successfully or have already failed at it HARD. You hear that argument from most pilots who use OGB.

BUT REALLY!?

OGB has given those who failed at solo in the past a chance to enjoy and become successful at an obscure style of game play. Which is a good thing,. However, I'm not keen on being forced to pay for 2 subscriptions to play this game;

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#28 - 2013-06-27 02:54:29 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
I dunno. Most pilots using OGB WERE unsuccessful at solo combat. Heh! You'll see a HUGE falloff in killz by those pilots when CCP finally figures out a way to remove the issue. Its funny. You can literary see correlations in the rise of a pilots "solo killz" and the time a pilot started using said off grid mechanics.

Mind you. When I went off using OGB for about 6 months with one of my characters. @ some point I started using it for everything including frigate 1 v 1's = ) I mean why am I paying for another account if I'm not going to use it? Just because I don't want some l0ser saying I have no honour and feeling shame and sh!t (fu*k that)?.... I R A BOSS!

Anyway.

Most pilots who use OGB DO NOT believe solo is viable or at-least they don't believe their capable of doing it successfully or have already failed at it HARD. You hear that argument from most pilots who use OGB.

BUT REALLY!?

OGB has given those who failed at solo in the past a chance to enjoy and become successful at an obscure style of game play. Which is a good thing,. However, I'm not keen on being forced to pay for 2 subscriptions to play this game;


More drivel from another bad and bitter pilot.
Therran Promitz
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-27 05:29:23 UTC
The irony of your name and what you ask kills me.
Major Killz
inglorious bastards.
#30 - 2013-06-27 10:59:11 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:


More drivel from another bad and bitter pilot.


Heh! I can never be bitter when I'm chatting with a deluded clown (you). *Wink* XOXO Roll Funny thing is The players who know you and have flown with you in factional warfare don't think much of you as a pilot. Keep riding your tricycle little girl. You're opinions are like your piloting, irrelevant...

[u]Ich bin ein Pirat ！[/u]
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-06-27 11:21:34 UTC
Major Killz wrote:
I dunno. Most pilots using OGB WERE unsuccessful at solo combat. Heh! You'll see a HUGE falloff in killz by those pilots when CCP finally figures out a way to remove the issue. Its funny. You can literary see correlations in the rise of a pilots "solo killz" and the time a pilot started using said off grid mechanics.

Mind you. When I went off using OGB for about 6 months with one of my characters. @ some point I started using it for everything including frigate 1 v 1's = ) I mean why am I paying for another account if I'm not going to use it? Just because I don't want some l0ser saying I have no honour and feeling shame and sh!t (fu*k that)?.... I R A BOSS!

Anyway.

Most pilots who use OGB DO NOT believe solo is viable or at-least they don't believe their capable of doing it successfully or have already failed at it HARD. You hear that argument from most pilots who use OGB.

BUT REALLY!?

OGB has given those who failed at solo in the past a chance to enjoy and become successful at an obscure style of game play. Which is a good thing,. However, I'm not keen on being forced to pay for 2 subscriptions to play this game;



Quite right. Its not solo! It's 2v1. Including OGB on KM's would help these pilots remember that. Please CCP for the love of god fix OGB.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#32 - 2013-06-27 13:57:08 UTC
This is true, I do sometimes use boosts when I am on a corp fleet op or join someones fleet to help or whatnot. The problem is the people who simply refuse to fight without them. And to be clear I am not singling you out, the fact you do it with a maulus and not say a hookbill makes me happy and the lol killmails are quite funny (as well as your lack of DPS:p).



Crosi Wesdo wrote:


You are implying you dont use boosts. You do. Ive personally given you loki boosts just so you can catch up to people i have tackled....



I am getting to the point I might just start using them, which makes me feel like a dirty, dirty whore. The problem is, when I do something...I go all in. So triple boosted, HG snake, falcon alt, the ******* works. Meh we shall see.

nom nom
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#33 - 2013-06-27 14:34:53 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
So you might not be able to fight ships with warrior 2s after they force boosters on grid.

I don't think a t1 kiting frigate is supposed to be completely invulnerable. You will still be able to damp most ships in your class so they can't even target you past 13k. Thats still better than basic kiting parameters. You will actually have to pay attention while kiting like people did before boosters because you wont be abel to point people out to 30k. But that isn't so bad. In fact I would say kiting versus brawling used to be pretty well balanced before boosters screwed it all up.


Invulnerable? im not sure if you saw me say i have lost over 60 maulus'..



Ships near that class can't even target you past @13k. Yet you can hold point out to what 40k? You can also outrun their drones. So you are pretty much invulnerable against any single enemy pilot unless you screw up.

Yes if you fight multiple people then flying your maulus gets tricky.


But are we really going to complain that a maulus doesn't trump every other ship in its class (and a few classes up) if ogbs are removed?....


Crosi Wesdo wrote:

If boosts ever have to be put on grid i simply wont fly the maulus against boats with a drone capability or that are likely to be faster than my unbonused speed. .


I guess we are.

Yep you might need to fly something other than a maulus "solo."



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Kaiia Gavlas Thessia
Ravens' Nest
#34 - 2013-07-05 21:20:09 UTC
Logical Chaos wrote:
Just get a Falcon and loldishonor!


no such thing as honor in a video game

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