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Can't Sleep.... SCOTUS Ruling Has Me On Edge...

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Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#41 - 2013-06-26 17:12:06 UTC
I too have been on 4chan and Reddit.

I know of which identity politics you speak.

I will say no further than yes, those people need a hobby.

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-06-26 17:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tumahub
Anya Klibor wrote:
My problem will always stem from the very, very vocal minority who require you to accept them for being gay. You have to accept their lifestyle.


As I mentioned, that's a requirement of the (faux) majority rule system. Laws are put in place by the majority (or more-accurately, by politicians who do things the majority will let them get away with) and in the best interests of their most prominent donors who are usually interested in retaining the moral majority for their own reasons. If you accept the foundtional premises of democracy then it logically follows that anyone who acts in a manner unbecoming to the majority (or the politically connected minority) will present a situation in which the law is used against that person.

It is therefor only a response to this incentive that people go around trumpeting their single-issue to the sky. If it is not at the very-least accepted by the population (or at lest the politically affluent) then they are going to get flack for bucking the rigid social order. If nobody was concerned that tomorrow some political cadre would deem their lifestyle illegal then they would not have any need or desire to demand such oblate acceptance of their niche.

Anya Klibor wrote:

Something to keep in mind, though: while this is a good decision in terms of socio-economic issues, the Supreme Court ruled yesterday that one does not have the right to the protection of the Fifth Amendment. Now, unless you explicitly state you are invoking your right to remain silent, the prosecution can use your silence as proof of guilt at trial. And even if you do invoke it and say so, it can still be used against you. But that got no mention at all.


Here we have the politically connected minority (who have arguably convinced the majority of their position) decree the degradation of human rights within their fiefdom. Unless you buy the argument that freedom is tyranny and people in uniform or public office are always moral paragons of justice and virtue, then this is tyranny at it's most naked and apparent. The same court who so generously considers giving some rights to gay couples has before-hand taken away rights from the entire population.
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-06-26 20:23:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tumahub
While we're here celebrating this (albeit minor) victory for personal liberty, let's take time to reflect:

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#44 - 2013-06-26 21:10:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
All I will say, without reading any of the thread, is that if the word marriage was taken out of the debate and taken off of the legal paper work there would be zero debate, but no, both sides of the debate refuse to stop using the religious term marriage when it comes to the legal status known as Civil Union.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#45 - 2013-06-26 21:15:22 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
All I will say, without reading any of the thread, is that if the word marriage was taken out of the debate and taken off of the legal paper work there would be zero debate, but no, both sides of the debate refuse to stop using the religious term marriage when it comes to the legal status known as Civil Union.

Thats what I thought it was, just semantics over a word, it's what it was over here anyway.

To me it seems like a Religion can grant a marriange and the state a Civil Union, and most people call it by the religious term reserved for the church.

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-06-26 21:40:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tumahub
It's semantic; however, the semantics are not unimportant. Tax and social status are at stake when such seemingly provincial terms are in play.

Of course, the more important question is why are those who mug us on a daily basis allowed to turn around and tell us we have to adhere to their checklist of social norms or face an even higher protection money fee as well as not being allowed the basic (ever-decreasing) rights afforded to the majority who follow along.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#47 - 2013-06-26 22:06:19 UTC
Given the origin of the topic in this thread I actually feel sorry to do this, but the OOPE rules are unfortunately quite clear:

3. Discussions about politics and religion not allowed, there are other websites with forums for these topics.


Still, good luck!

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