Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This is a great idea +1

1. I ask for people who like the idea to say only "I like this idea" as a bump, since often I will get many likes for my post but the thread will fall into the abyss never to be seen again, those who feel vocally opposed will post anyway and I do not tell them to do otherwise.

2.Eve being a pvp centric game it should only be logical that the pvp has a direct impact on the economy of the game. Pvp isn't necessarily just a little side game people play like a battle in World of Tanks of League of Legends, it is a meaningful part of the game.

3. Err what? Loosing me here. Sounds like whining about pirates not being honorable or something.

All those big words, you could try to spell them right. You would think a intellectual would know how to spell feelings, effectively, and censored (of course that isn't all you misspelled).

Because No matter what you do, racial flavoring in EVE would mandate that ALL goods from the other 3 empires flavors would have to be imported. This is precisely my point. Not all goods would double, like in solitude, all t1 gallente flavor items are roughly at jita costs. However, all goods which are NOT gallente now cost double what they did before, BECUASE THEY HAVE TO BE IMPORTED, EXACTLY LIKE YOU SAID.



Maybe you should try not attacking my character either. A viator can't even haul a battle-cruiser, by the way. It BARELY fits a cruiser if you gimp the hell out of it. I know this because I actually fly one.

General items would still be the same cost, everything else being more expensive is the point of this. lp items other than fully built ships would be trivial to move, ores that are more common in other areas are still plentiful enough that other factions ships can be built for only a slightly higher markup ,and ice is only used by capital ships and poses so really the general consumer won't be affected and a pos operator could always just use another races pos.

So my warp disruptor II's won't be 200% more expensive and my drake in dodixie might be only 5-20% more expensive. If I want a caldari navy invuln i can get a buzzard and move it myself or it might only be slightly more expensive and not worth my time and buy it where I am. If Ice is to expensive ill just start a gallente pos. If my chimera in sinq laison is to expensive to operate I am already importing fuel so what exactly changed?

Also my point still stands about it being trivial to move ships yourself. Black Frog won't be the only people capable of moving things.

think about it like the difference between importing goods to hawaii and importing goods to australia.

everything in hawaii is expensive because it is a tiny island that can't make it's own things and there isn't a big enough market to warrant transporting lots of goods there in mass, but Australia is huge and can make most of its own things, and things from outside the country are only somewhat more expensive because they will sell quickly when they get there.

could be real, i have encountered many spergs in my time on the internet. Besides, what is he gonna do? Reply pointing out how we don't understand his vast intellect?

If he hated eve so much he wouldn't be here proposing awesome changes for everyone to enjoy. Just because you can't understand it doesn't mean its bad. Actually stagnation is the worst thing for eve. There is a trend you'll notice in daily population peaks. After a new expansion the daily population peaks. It slowly dwindles down over time until a new expansion. This is because of stagnation. People get bored of the new or revamped changes because they really don't change too much. The same old systems we have in game are the same for the most part, they just have a new paintjob. And they only generate content temporarily.

A change like this will cause space itself to be dynamic. Every time you cross to another empire you get that exilleration of potentially losing your ship/pod/cargo and that feeling of success by making it across safely. This change also gives people a reason to go through low sec, opportunity. Not just to see what's there. This is what would keep it from being just another boring change like new scanning system that is pretty but does the same thing, or a bounty system that got fixed though tthe majority of people don't even care anymore. This change would be an intricate part of the eve lives of most everyone. Which is why they might have a hard time pushing forward with it. They may have this catagorized as a "Jesus" level feature change.

If you think that idea gives off "I hate eve" sentiment, then you'll love the idea I would have to go along with that change.....

I propose that all empire stations can/will only allow production of their factions ships. It makes sense that a minmatar station would not want to build an amarr ship that would represent the idea of slavery to them or at least remind them of it. Also as a corp for a faction, you would think that faction would frown on such activity. Then you would have to import cross faction ships or set up a PoS for production (which would be limited of course). Also not sure how FW stations work, but I think those stations and null outposts should have no restrictions and if needed give corp/alliance ownership to the fw stations. Maybe with non-adjustable settings. (Flat tax rate/repair cost/standing based docking fees)

But yeah this would be a huge change with lots of implications with a redistribution of production from high count manufacturing stations to POSs. And would add addition cost to cross faction ships in each empire that would give built-in incentive to haul. And yeah its different than the crappy little islands we have now because there are actually consumers in the 4 split up empires. Not just 10 guys that move their own stuff.

Why would LP items be more expensive when you have LP stores for every faction in Caldari space already? Run missions at the best LP/hr Minmatar agents, redeem the LP in The Forge, ship the products to Jita. No need to cross the proposed lowsec barrier thanks to jump clones.



If it's going to be so trivial to move things back and forth, what's the point of the low sec separation of hisec empire space?

The first thing you need to understand (in this specific post) is what inflation is. Inflation is not the price goods increasing, inflation is the value of your currency decreasing. T2 goods are currently high priced mainly because the supply of T2 build components are limited by passive moon harvesting that was then recently revamped to require different build requirements which will keep prices high until there is enough supply. Also with the wars going on and moons flipflopping demand will rise while supply will dwindle.

About freighting stuff, I'm curious to know what you based that guess on, though that really doesn't matter anyways. I would say the vast majority of freighter hauling is to get stuff to your local trade hub for very small profit or to move things from one trade hub to another for also another very small profit margin. This is the reason hauling is a worthless profession. Because freighhters can make profit off of such minimal minimal margins without wasting their time. That causes other haulers to not be worth using. With this change freighters would still be used but mostly just for the first item I mentioned but also potentially from one trade hub to a probable new trade satilite on the bordes of the empire. Which brings up the next point.

Trade hubs. They were not put in the game as a designated tradehub system. They just happened to be the most convenient place for people to sell their stuff where the most possible consumers will be. The reason jita is the biggest is because of its location in the middle of some major crossroads. There will always be major trade hubs. Even if this change does disolve jita,dodixie,rens,amarr and hek there will be a new place where people will see a social trend and everyone will move their stuff there. In fact new trade hubs would be the reason the old ones would disolve.

Also no idea what you're talking about with buy orders for a titan. You can't put titans or super carriers on the market because u can't build them or dock them in station... That just shows how little you know about null sec manufacturing. I'm also against the incursion isk fountain and I have my own agenda against mission running in another thread. I do disagree with your viator perception but in any case, I'm very much for any nerf to someone in high sec making 100mil/hour.

Costs will only go up to the point where the reward will outweigh the risk. But of course that's mostly just going to affect things that can't be produced locally like meta and faction gear unless they limit production of certain items to certain empires.. Otherwise there's not going to be a very big change. This won't be the doomsday change you think it will.

viator with T2 rigs and cargo expandera can hold under 12k of cargo thus a BS isn't going to fit in it.

Your killboard!
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Sir+Dragon#losses
Have you EVER?! killed a player? EVER!? Now go out shoot somebody come back then talk about PVP. Talking about stuff you don't know about does not count as an unbiased opinion of the opposing party.

Better yet join a PvP corp, RvB, EvE University, learn about EvE instead of just hating what you don't understand.