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700 DPS and 200 EHP tengu how?

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-06-26 17:11:18 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.


When did the OP said PvP? 90% of Tengus must be PvE anyway.


why would you care about ehp on a pve tengu?

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-06-26 18:17:23 UTC
Its for pvp
Ginger Barbarella
#23 - 2013-06-26 18:20:35 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
Its for pvp


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Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#24 - 2013-06-26 18:50:25 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.


When did the OP said PvP? 90% of Tengus must be PvE anyway.


why would you care about ehp on a pve tengu?


Because sleepers/some plexes can have nasty alpha? The guy is posting non nonsensical question after non nonsensical question anyway, and all he got to show for his time in EVE is a badly fit Caracal loss in Rancer.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-06-26 18:58:21 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.




To counter an argument it's easy, pick EFT sort the dumbest thing you can to prove your point and that's it.

I have yet to be told to fly such crap the guy will get a finger. Snowflakes nothing but snowflakes.

Because of course I always fly in null sec without a point and web, My Tengu webs and scrams pilots down just by the sight of it...

Silly people...

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Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-06-26 19:04:02 UTC
Caius Sivaris wrote:


Because sleepers/some plexes can have nasty alpha? The guy is posting non nonsensical question after non nonsensical question anyway, and all he got to show for his time in EVE is a badly fit Caracal loss in Rancer.


We cant all be as pro as u after 2 mos of playing. I played for a month 3 years ago. One of the 90% of new players who doesnt stick with the game. The other 10% being alts or real life friends that get spoon fed and quit further down the line.

When i came back into the game i accidentally bought a skill book in .4 and lost the caracal trying to grab it. Glad to see uve joined my fan club and will be following my career though. Long story short. Go f*** yourself
Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#27 - 2013-06-26 19:09:36 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.


Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;)
Caius Sivaris
Dark Nexxus
#28 - 2013-06-26 19:11:12 UTC
Ciyrine wrote:
Caius Sivaris wrote:

Because sleepers/some plexes can have nasty alpha? The guy is posting non nonsensical question after non nonsensical question anyway, and all he got to show for his time in EVE is a badly fit Caracal loss in Rancer.


We cant all be as pro as u after 2 mos of playing.


Nope, but you could be smart enough to concern yourself with fits for ships you can actually fly and get actual in game experience with them instead of being that odd eft/forum warrior mix.
Ciyrine
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-06-26 19:21:23 UTC
Or i can theory the game to hell so i can plan my skills. Experience will come too
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-06-26 19:36:10 UTC
Mr Floydy wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.


Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;)


I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations.

I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-06-26 19:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.


Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;)


I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations.

I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point


Even so, why take a Tengu over a double web armor Loki or an 18km scram Proteus to camp a gate unless you can't fly them?
-I'm not saying it doesn't succeed because it's pretty obvious it does specially with friends pinning stuff for it but each single ship without a point or web or both camping that gate are close to useless but just KM hoaring, if they want to add real dps they should take a Talos instead.

A double web Loki can be terrifying with its agility of a frigate and a good cruiser speed while armor tanked, dishes a very decent dps and selectable one on top without loosing any 10% uberness per level.

A scram/diruptor Proteus without a single link can point stuff very far away, has a decent tank and mobility with 800 plates and when it gets on top of its target just melts it (gank fits not another snowflake/slaved eft fit).

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Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#32 - 2013-06-26 20:45:09 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.


Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;)


I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations.

I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point

Pretty sure that some nullsec entities use Tengus because 84k kills on this list http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 don't come from solo dudes in officer fit tengus (of course with an offgrid tengu booster). Nullsec blobs are all about outsourced tackling as well.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2013-06-27 00:45:56 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.



That's what tacklers and in null bubblers are for.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-27 02:20:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Mr Floydy wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
fairly sure nobody would fly a HAM tengu in pvp without a point.


Pretty sure they would at times. If they have friends who are handling the tackle. They're probably just there to apply 900 dps or so ;)


I can understand if you're gatecamping or null warfare in bubbles but tengu is hardly seen in either of those situations.

I know it's a personal thing but ill be damned if im in a close range ship and not have a point



I do, all of the time, we usually have a couple webber lokis and point proteus to do the pointing for us.


If you are going to fly a ship with at most 70km for range into the middle of 130 pulsepocs, losing tank for a point is pretty much out of the question.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-06-27 02:33:02 UTC
ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway.

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-06-27 03:12:20 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway.



Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors.

On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu.
Bloody Wench
#37 - 2013-06-27 12:44:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
I'm not seeing it, at least not for PVP purposes, you start putting CNBC on it and deadspace/faction hardeners and it just gets expensive fast.

No prop mod..it's kinda rubbish.
You can drop the Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction and put on a ABII it fits and you no longer need the 1% PG but takes the EHP down to 113K.

[Tengu, Requested]
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)

Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Warp Disruptor II

3x Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


Will require 1% PG implant
No other implants installed currently


Effective HP: 148,954
Tank Ability: 185.47 DPS
Capacitor (Stable at 53.66%)
DPS: 749.77

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-06-27 15:09:05 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway.



Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors.

On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu.


how does a dictor help in high/low, it can only point as many people as it has disruptors.

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Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#39 - 2013-06-27 16:46:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
ok but for other parts of pvp not including null and w-space warfare. I highly doubt the OP is talking about either of those anyway.



Still don't really need a local point, there are dictors.

On the armor tankers sure, but you are chewing into tank with a Tengu.


how does a dictor help in high/low, it can only point as many people as it has disruptors.

Yeah and so do Arazu/Lach , and ceptors, so what is your problem? Any gang can decide and some often do decide to fit for specific roles not for multi purpose. Tengu pilots are probably more risk adverse with their shiney and would readily not sacrifice tank in their mids while loading the lows with damage mods (since this is easy to do with a shield tanker), and would instead be happy to outsource the tackling role.

Some people have posted fits that approximate the posted stats the OP was asking about. You said these people should be fitting a point. Multiple people have responded that this is not necessarily so, and why. Sorry that you can't accept your point was not necessary.P

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-06-27 23:55:40 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
I'm not seeing it, at least not for PVP purposes, you start putting CNBC on it and deadspace/faction hardeners and it just gets expensive fast.

No prop mod..it's kinda rubbish.
You can drop the Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction and put on a ABII it fits and you no longer need the 1% PG but takes the EHP down to 113K.

[Tengu, Requested]
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

6x Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II (Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile)

Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Warp Disruptor II

3x Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Medium Ancillary Current Router II
2x Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


Will require 1% PG implant
No other implants installed currently


Effective HP: 148,954
Tank Ability: 185.47 DPS
Capacitor (Stable at 53.66%)
DPS: 749.77



You're not going anywhere without a prop mod Blink

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