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Kill bords, love em or hate em?

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Helios Aquiness
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-26 19:33:25 UTC
Whats the popular opinion on kill bords, and do they add to or take away from pvp?

On the one hand, kill bords give you highly detailed information on all the kills you've ever done. They allow players to brag and reminess about epic fights, and see at a glance just how well they are doing.

On the down side, haveing a perminate record of your losses can work against you as there are many corps that place a heavy emphasis on kill bord efficency.

The knolage that your loss is recorded forever causes some players to be more tactical and avoid loseing ships where ever they can. But does this allow for more stratigic pvp or does it infact hamper it by makeing some people skiddish about loseing something they could easly replace but dont want the bad record.

Personally Im some what neutral on the subject since I really dont care what I lose and who knows it. I see isk as useless unless its spent. However Iv been bared from a number of perspective corps because of my less than spectacular pvp record. Im curous as to what other people think of them however.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#2 - 2013-06-26 19:38:56 UTC
Some people need a way to measure their epeens I guess.

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.

Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-06-26 19:46:26 UTC
I don't personally have any use for them outside the free intel they provide and I would gladly opt out of them, but I get why some people want and even need them. I have no strong feelings either way though.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-06-26 19:49:18 UTC
Helios Aquiness wrote:
Whats the popular opinion on kill bords, and do they add to or take away from pvp?


Worthless to me. Someone claims he got a 20mil kill on something I built off of leftovers, more so. If he gloats over leftovers he's truly a sad puppy. Straight

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Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-06-26 19:50:09 UTC
For someone who does a lot of solo pvp, killboards can tell a lot.

Does your potential opponent usually run in a gang or is he usually alone?
Does he do kity fits or does he brawl?
Is he any good at all?
and more.

Whether or not that's a good thing... depends on who you're asking.
Personally I like it.
Feer Truelight
#6 - 2013-06-26 19:51:08 UTC
Love 'em when you're a predator.
Hate 'em when you are prey.

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Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#7 - 2013-06-26 19:51:55 UTC
KBs aren't much more than an activity monitor. Aside from that they're useless since everyone who shoots a ship is on the KM and that goes to their isk efficiency. It creates an ISK efficiency tracking situation where everyone who PVPs with any level of reasonable success has a good KB.

I also hate the amount of intel you can get on people with them.

Every day I'm wafflin!

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#8 - 2013-06-26 19:56:52 UTC
You can't win at EVE without a way to keep score.

Killboards are one way to do that.

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Rhea Rankin Nolen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-06-26 20:05:12 UTC
Against it.

Coincidentally I use it on a daily basis when pvp-ing, and it saved my ass or gave me the upper hand on more than a few occasions.
But yeah..basically a free out of game intel tool. Makes absolutely no sense, especially with the new ingame kill logs.

IMO killboards, alongside dotlan and other similar out of game tools, take a lot away from EVE's mystery and wonder.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-06-26 20:27:08 UTC
Not only are they the only way to show that something died but we also get golden moments such as Emo TJ's Dramiel incident
Linna Baresi
#11 - 2013-06-26 20:47:41 UTC
I know a lot of people put great stock on things like kill boards and kill/death ratios... they work well for those for whom the kill count itself has meaning, I guess. I've seen groups of these kill oriented folk rake in massive numbers of kills during wargames and open world PVP (other games than EVE, of course, I'm new around here)... and I've seen them lose badly all the same because they forgot about the actual victory conditions and objectives.

Personally, I prefer to be the one running away with the goodies, while the killers are otherwise occupied (preferably with something I arranged for them to be occupied with). There's something highly satisfactory about confused forum posts wondering 'how did that happen, we were winning' and 'where did out base go, I swear I paid the maintenance'.

P

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CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
Negative Feedback
#12 - 2013-06-26 21:47:42 UTC  |  Edited by: CompleteFailure
*boards
*reminisce
*having
*permanent
*efficiency
*knowledge
*losing
*wherever
*strategic
*in fact
*making
*skittish
*losing
*easily
*don't
*I'm
*somewhat
*don't
*I've
*barred
*prospective
*I'm
*curious

Man that was painful to read.

I'd say that evaluating someone's KB record is one way to evaluate the skill and knowledge level of the player. While they certainly don't tell the whole story, they do provide good insight into how well the player might understand game mechanics, fitting concepts, what kinds of fits work in what situations, what kinds of ships work well against what, etc. While it may seem "elitist," it could just be that they're looking for people who have a certain level of competence so they don't have to spend extra time teaching them the more basic stuff. It's not always just about epeens, it could simply be a matter of how much time they're willing to invest in their members to get them to the level they expect them to be at.
Doc Spectre
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-06-26 22:23:33 UTC
I play to have fun and I have lots of fun without kills...
Just Lilly
#14 - 2013-06-26 22:25:06 UTC
I don't hate em, but they give away 2 much intel imo Pirate

Ship loss and the value of lost assets would be enough, not the fitting, location or what mods that dropped.
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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-06-26 22:30:34 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Not only are they the only way to show that something died but we also get golden moments such as Emo TJ's Dramiel incident

Oh wow. Has it been that long ago? Feeling old now. Shocked
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-06-26 22:31:33 UTC
Kill boards tell a story, so they are a good thing.
Emergent Game Play
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-06-26 22:40:35 UTC
Doc Spectre wrote:
I play to have fun and I have lots of fun without kills...


Impossible.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-06-26 22:42:27 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Not only are they the only way to show that something died but we also get golden moments such as Emo TJ's Dramiel incident

Oh wow. Has it been that long ago? Feeling old now. Shocked

3 years already.


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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-06-26 23:03:36 UTC
Killboards are eve's score card in a way *shrug*
some people take them way too seriously though.

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Litair
Nleesh
#20 - 2013-06-26 23:27:34 UTC
Personally I think killboards are the sucks, especially because mine sucks as well.
But seriously I often times like to have a fun fight, but I don't find it particularly exciting to ruin random people's day necessarily.. so I have on multiple occasions decided to let people go once they're someway into hull and the fight is evidently decided. Especially if they're new peeps.
Besides there'll be more pew if they don't have to spend the next few days mining to buy a new ship :p

Doesn't do squat for my killboard though, so I am an eternal noob on that point.. kinda annoying since a lot of people blindly care so much about it. I completely agree it's the closest to a score you can have in EVE, but in a total sandbox like this, I don't think you should have a score at all, as it inevitably favors one particular playstyle.

A private killboard for yourself to contemplate your failures and smile at your victorious is fine though, and even share it with your friends.. but just being able to google it isn't really cool.
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