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Can't Sleep.... SCOTUS Ruling Has Me On Edge...

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Anna Hathaway
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-06-26 12:25:33 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
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My Partner was doubled over in pain one night and ended up vomiting from the pain. we thought it could be Pancreatic issues or something worse. So I rushed him to the ER. When we got there I presented my Insurance card (I have full coverage through my work) in which I was denied extending care to him.
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Even in a heterosexual marriage you can't just show up in a hospital and plunk down your insurance card expecting your spouse to be covered. You have to go through the paperwork and your spouse's name must be registered as a covered party by the insurance company.

The real problem is that many states allow the employers to prevent you going through the paperwork to cover a partner. You should be allowed this. But that is not marriage.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#22 - 2013-06-26 12:32:12 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

2 Words: Texas Senate (last night)

Looked this up.

Not gonna lie, but I can't say I disagree with strict regulation of practices.

New York Times, Manny Fernandez wrote:
The bill would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, require abortion clinics to meet the same standards that hospital-style surgical centers do, and mandate that a doctor who performs abortions have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital.


That... doesn't sound too bad really. As I understand it current medical technology is greatly increasing the point at which a fetus is viable outside of the womb and encroaching on the area of potential transplants for carriage to term. Adoption centres exist too.

It's a complicated issue I haven't fully made my mind up on. Straight

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#23 - 2013-06-26 13:28:22 UTC
Anna Hathaway wrote:
You have to go through the paperwork and your spouse's name must be registered as a covered party by the insurance company.




Even this is not an option for partnered same-sex couples. Insurance companies do not let you just 'cover' what to them is just a random stranger.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2013-06-26 13:31:00 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

2 Words: Texas Senate (last night)

Looked this up.

Not gonna lie, but I can't say I disagree with strict regulation of practices.

New York Times, Manny Fernandez wrote:
The bill would ban abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, require abortion clinics to meet the same standards that hospital-style surgical centers do, and mandate that a doctor who performs abortions have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital.


That... doesn't sound too bad really. As I understand it current medical technology is greatly increasing the point at which a fetus is viable outside of the womb and encroaching on the area of potential transplants for carriage to term. Adoption centres exist too.

It's a complicated issue I haven't fully made my mind up on. Straight


The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#25 - 2013-06-26 13:36:15 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.

Please.
Please say you made that up. Thats an abomination not to do that. I think even in many Islamic nations that its allowed under that scenario. Shocked

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#26 - 2013-06-26 13:56:53 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.

Please.
Please say you made that up. Thats an abomination not to do that. I think even in many Islamic nations that its allowed under that scenario. Shocked



That's the thing about these Fundie-led causes. They are blind to all rationale and reality.

Also, I know personally what it's like having the government telling me I can't do something that is an integral part of my own personal business.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Anna Hathaway
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-06-26 14:37:31 UTC
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#28 - 2013-06-26 14:38:49 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.

Please.
Please say you made that up. Thats an abomination not to do that. I think even in many Islamic nations that its allowed under that scenario. Shocked



That's the thing about these Fundie-led causes. They are blind to all rationale and reality.

Also, I know personally what it's like having the government telling me I can't do something that is an integral part of my own personal business.


Generalize much? This is why debates devolve into name calling. Or in other words, "This is why we can't have nice things"

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Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#29 - 2013-06-26 14:47:51 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:


The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.



Been trying to find this in the law, can't find it anywhere. Where is the source?

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Miss Piggy
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-06-26 15:04:56 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Since I'm a raging bigot according to the left, all I'm going to say is that is a very divisive subject.

And, the right is only a speed bump to the left, so you'll get what you want eventually.


I feel human rights have no political affiliation. As a Veteran I swore to defend the Constitution and our legally binding documents that state All men are equal and endowed with inalienable rights. It doesn't matter what your political view ALL men are equal.

I also feel bitter with what you stated as merely "getting what I want." As if I'm robbing someone else of their Freedoms and Protections. Far from it. You have no clue what it's like rushing your loved one to the ER only to find out your insurance doesn't cover them because you both aren't legally married.

I'm still paying the seven thousand dollar hospital bill because of it...



Your choice if you opted to get your **** removed and the op went wrong.... That makes you the b.i.t.c.h in your
messed up relationship.

Messed up relationship not in a religious sense more a oh dear yours is a rather evolutionary faux pas event.

All someone needs to do is ban same sex from adopting or artificial means of procreation and jobs a good un.

Nature has a way of sorting these things out though........
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-06-26 15:13:52 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.

Please.
Please say you made that up. Thats an abomination not to do that. I think even in many Islamic nations that its allowed under that scenario. Shocked

From the little I've read about it, and it is VERY little mind you, the intention was to create conditions they knew would amount to closing down of most of the clinics. Since they can't ban the practice directly, they needed to do this through conditions, that on the surphase aren't immediately objectionable. Sort of like indirect discrimination. Instead of directly doing what you want to, because you aren't allowed to, you work around that rule by creating new conditions and requirements. This way you don't directly violate the rules, but achieve the wanted results in practice anyway.
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#32 - 2013-06-26 15:29:31 UTC
Go to google.

Type "Gay"

Press enter.

300% win.

Equality for all, all for equality.

ॐ
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-06-26 15:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tumahub
The coercive monopoly that rules your geographical area should have no say in whom you decide to marry. The majority of people in your geographical area do not have a say in whom you can marry. Only you and the person with whom you are initiating such a commitment, being two sovereign human beings, have the power to make that choice.

Tara Read wrote:
So tomorrow the Supreme Court Of The United States will decide if me and my Partner of three years will have full and equal rights under US law. I truly envy countries like Canada and other like minded Countries that already granted these protections and freedoms the most recent being France.

I'm not getting my hopes up on this. The night Proposition 8 was passed (Prop 8 was the California law passed by voters to outlaw same sex marriage after it was already granted by State Courts.) I was devastated as were many other people. I've marched, protested, donated, and campaigned over the past five years in hopes one day this would be struck down.


Take away the power of the state to decree who you may marry. Who can make a hospital visit. etc. by not demanding the people who spy on you and wage war in your name also take care of you. Where you went wrong here is the same way my grandparents went wrong during the civil rights movement. They got behind the government, assuming it would save them from discrimination. It did not. In-fact it made their lives worse.

Freedom from the state is freedom from discrimination, theft, kidnapping, assault, and murder on a massive scale.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#34 - 2013-06-26 15:44:31 UTC
Tumahub wrote:
The coercive monopoly that rules your geographical area should have no say in whom you decide to marry.

Take away the power of the state to decree who you may marry. Who can be ensured. Who can make a hospital visit. etc. by not demanding the people who spy on you and wage war in your name also take care of you.

Freedom from the state is freedom from discrimination, theft, kidnapping, assault, and murder on a massive scale.


Freedom from the state? That's madness!

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Anna Hathaway
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-06-26 15:45:36 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Anna Hathaway wrote:
You have to go through the paperwork and your spouse's name must be registered as a covered party by the insurance company.




Even this is not an option for partnered same-sex couples. Insurance companies do not let you just 'cover' what to them is just a random stranger.

Right, and my full comment stated this ought to be permitted (not a random stranger, but a named dependent).

I had to call out what smelled to me like begging the question (the real one). Apologies if it was simple lack of knowledge.
Anna Hathaway
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-06-26 15:49:18 UTC
Kirjava wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:

The problem, Kirjava, is that the Texas legislation would ban it after 20 weeks EVEN IF THE WOMAN'S LIFE IS IN DANGER.

Please.
Please say you made that up. Thats an abomination not to do that. I think even in many Islamic nations that its allowed under that scenario. Shocked

The bill is actually dead anyway. The Republican governor will not sign it as it did not follow proper procedure: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/us/politics/texas-abortion-bill.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2013-06-26 16:35:05 UTC
Miss Piggy wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Since I'm a raging bigot according to the left, all I'm going to say is that is a very divisive subject.

And, the right is only a speed bump to the left, so you'll get what you want eventually.


I feel human rights have no political affiliation. As a Veteran I swore to defend the Constitution and our legally binding documents that state All men are equal and endowed with inalienable rights. It doesn't matter what your political view ALL men are equal.

I also feel bitter with what you stated as merely "getting what I want." As if I'm robbing someone else of their Freedoms and Protections. Far from it. You have no clue what it's like rushing your loved one to the ER only to find out your insurance doesn't cover them because you both aren't legally married.

I'm still paying the seven thousand dollar hospital bill because of it...



Your choice if you opted to get your **** removed and the op went wrong.... That makes you the b.i.t.c.h in your
messed up relationship.

Messed up relationship not in a religious sense more a oh dear yours is a rather evolutionary faux pas event.

All someone needs to do is ban same sex from adopting or artificial means of procreation and jobs a good un.

Nature has a way of sorting these things out though........




Nature or Nazi Concentration camps? In nature over 4000 species have displayed homosexual tendencies. Your comment hardly bodes a response so I will leave it at that.

In other more important news DOMA is unconstitutional and prop 8 has been struck down. I cried. Cried more than I ever have. So many emotions are going through me right now. I also officially proposed to by now Husband to be whom said yes. I can't wait to get home and start our lives in a new direction!
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#38 - 2013-06-26 16:43:26 UTC
Congratulations Big smile

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Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-06-26 16:49:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Tumahub
Every time you read a frothing homophobic rant like that, just remember the so-called social contract (a miserable fairy-tale) entitles them to dictate your life to you, so long as they are in the majority.

Personally, I'd rather not have anyone telling me what I can and cannot do with my life (so long as it harms nobody else) than attempt to convince everyone to support my every choice and action.

As it stands, you are lorded over by the moral majority and whether or not you conform to that supposed collective will is the deciding factor on whether or not you are tolerated. Step out of line and you will be condemned for violating an unspoken rule. Step far enough out of line and they will write new laws that restrict your freedom even further.

Reject that coercive power and rally for real freedom. Don't let the supposedly benevolent state grant you some tiny bit of the freedom you are entitled to as a human being and tell you that you should be grateful to them for the honor. If they do "allow," you to be as free as the other serfs, that's wonderful and I am happy for you, but don't forget the struggle for your freedom is not decided from on high. It comes from each and every individual standing up to authoritarians no matter what guise they take.
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-06-26 17:02:22 UTC
My issue will never be with gay people. I have several friends who are gay/lesbian/bi and they are some of the best people I know of.

My problem will always stem from the very, very vocal minority who require you to accept them for being gay. You have to accept their lifestyle. You can't do anything to them that they do not explicitly allow you to do. You can't say mean things (but they'll call you something. I believe there's a "derogatory" term in the transgender community: "cis". It's supposed to be a term used to describe people who identify with their sex...for example, "middle-aged cis male". You identify as what you were born as). It's kind of like all these gay pride parades. Hey, cool. You're gay. But if you're requiring us to accept you and are unwilling to listen to even the most ignorant of opinions, you are no better than the "evangelical Christians" and Catholics people love to **** on. You will be as closed-minded as those people.

Something to keep in mind, though: while this is a good decision in terms of socio-economic issues, the Supreme Court ruled yesterday that one does not have the right to the protection of the Fifth Amendment. Now, unless you explicitly state you are invoking your right to remain silent, the prosecution can use your silence as proof of guilt at trial. And even if you do invoke it and say so, it can still be used against you. But that got no mention at all.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
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