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Save the Rokh!

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Conor Todaki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-11-05 20:42:56 UTC
I think you're forgetting that you can't. stop. the Rokh. Can't, stop the Rokh, you can't. stop. the Rokh.
Nimrod Nemesis
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-11-05 21:02:37 UTC
Conor Todaki wrote:
I think you're forgetting that you can't. stop. the Rokh. Can't, stop the Rokh, you can't. stop. the Rokh.


It's pathetic cap life does that for you though.

(And the reduction in hybrid cap use doesn't allay this either)
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#23 - 2011-11-06 15:47:17 UTC
Hybrid guns on a Rokh?
I thought it was a mining boat Big smile

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This is the law of ship progression!

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Dr Sodius
#24 - 2011-11-06 17:14:26 UTC
i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch this video... then come back and tell us what you saw Lol
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#25 - 2011-11-06 17:18:11 UTC
"Saving" it would imply that it wasn't completey dead before it was even born.
Alara IonStorm
#26 - 2011-11-06 17:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Dr Sodius wrote:
i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch this video... then come back and tell us what you saw Lol

So it makes an Ok Slow, Short Range, Half Drone Bay, less DPS, Fixed Damage Type Active Maelstrom that can kill folks who sit in it's Web Range.

Great for a Long Range Battleship.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2011-11-06 20:27:52 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Dr Sodius wrote:
i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch this video... then come back and tell us what you saw Lol

So it makes an Ok Slow, Short Range, Half Drone Bay, less DPS, Fixed Damage Type Active Maelstrom that can kill folks who sit in it's Web Range.

Great for a Long Range Battleship.

:) missed the runs out of cap part
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
#28 - 2011-11-06 21:44:48 UTC
I'd swap that range bonus for a 5% rof bonus. To be honest, I'm reaching the conclusion that it would be the right decision to make for all the caldari range boosted hybrid ships.
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-11-06 23:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Desudes
Dr Sodius wrote:
i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch video... then come back and tell us what you saw Lol


I saw an ugly brick doing **** damage compared to a megathron. A bit more durable I guess? And I think he's also MWDless...

I'd rather have a 7 neutron 1 neut mega in a fleet, thats for sure.


Katabrok First wrote:
I'd swap that range bonus for a 5% rof bonus. To be honest, I'm reaching the conclusion that it would be the right decision to make for all the caldari range boosted hybrid ships.


The only problem with this is you'd kill your cap that much faster, which is no bueno when you think about how cap intensive shield tanking is.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?

Nezumiiro Noneko
Alternative Enterprises
#30 - 2011-11-06 23:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nezumiiro Noneko
rokh has range and crap dps....use the range to your advantagee. FC sees a fleet of 100 pests and 5 rokhs, guess whose optimal + falloff he will use when calling that fleet warp in? Thats right, the pests., Add a bunch of km's to the warp in and run ammo meant for range. Voila.....all the minmatards are now your meat shields. In a lr vs lr fleet more often than not, all the shorter range bs' will be slugging it out. Your rokh out a bit further takes less damage, if any.

This is how rokhs can out damage other bs'. An arty boat is an alpha monster.....but if it goes boom in less than 60 secodns the rokh can catch up living much longer.

Rokhs best edge is if you land it right, only rokhs can kill it. Because of the range they share. Enemy pests can try....they will have to close first to get range. When they close, they get closer to that max damage of optimal minimal falloff of your pests.


Now some cap love, yeah this boat needs it. You average fleet fit will have this sebo'd out with an invul with cap drainnig ammo. got the wrong end of the stick there really since armour tankers get EANM, a nice passive all in one resist. A few gj is few gj to me....be nice to have them if one day ccp would grant us a passive all in one shield resist.
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#31 - 2011-11-07 00:02:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Frayn
Dr Sodius wrote:
i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch this video... then come back and tell us what you saw Lol


Lol @ the vid being made before the projectile rebalance back when megapulse and blasters were still the best guns for pvp.

And btw, it's no trick to do dps and kill targets when you have a gang backing you up. Rokh wasn't the best tool for the job or even a great one.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#32 - 2011-11-07 00:32:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
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I never really understood why the Rokh demanded such a high price tag. I'd speculate it's simply because the mineral requirements of the Tier 3 battleships are larger in quantity.


It's because of the tier system, the outdated and utterly arbitrary system of assigning a price to a ship because of its tier, rather than performance or role.

(That CCP seems to have no intention of addressing)
Dax Redding
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-11-07 05:48:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dax Redding
I doubt CCP would actually even bother attempting repurpose a ship or make big changes to the tactical value of a ship.

The Rokh is lacking love or support from CCP.
You can argue all the merits of how to fly or how to fit this ship, but you cant change the fact that it just plain cant stand up to the quality of the other races ships.

Nobody fly's this ship in fleets, everyone uses other ships in the role the Rokh was meant for MORE EFFECTIVELY than the Rokh even though they arent meant to do them! I mean, c,mon... really?
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2011-11-07 08:45:04 UTC
Katabrok First wrote:
I'd swap that range bonus for a 5% rof bonus. To be honest, I'm reaching the conclusion that it would be the right decision to make for all the caldari range boosted hybrid ships.


The range bonus is a bit of a tricky one, because the intended role of the Rokh is as a long-range fleet sniper. Of course, CCP hasn't yet noticed that it deleted this role two years ago, and when it did exist, everyone used the tachyon Apoc anyway. But just changing to a ROF or damage bonus moves it straight into Megathron territory, and Gallente already have enough problems with other races being better than them at the only thing they can do...

So what does that say? FIx probing and on-grid warping, balance hybrids properly and with reference to tachyons, Scorch, the Apoc and artillery, then see if the Rokh needs anything? What?
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#35 - 2011-11-07 23:41:51 UTC
Dr Sodius wrote:
i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch this video... then come back and tell us what you saw Lol


Funny that you link a video that was made when webs were 90% and well before the projectile boost.
Delphineas Fumimasa
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2011-11-08 04:34:07 UTC
I would love to see the rokh get a little help. Came back, trained up for a raven before, and now I wanna pew pew!

I can't stand the idea of armor tanking, so...
XDMR
Cruzakh Rule Breaking Bastards
#37 - 2011-11-08 08:25:56 UTC
I dare you to touch my Rokh Shocked, besides adding +25m3 Dronebay so it goes along with all the other BS :)
*points to sig*

Some people say i fly Rokh...

Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#38 - 2011-11-08 11:21:20 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Dr Sodius wrote:
i would suggest that everyone here, saying the rokh cannot do anything besides mining, watch this video... then come back and tell us what you saw Lol

So it makes an Ok Slow, Short Range, Half Drone Bay, less DPS, Fixed Damage Type Active Maelstrom that can kill folks who sit in it's Web Range.

Great for a Long Range Battleship.



Pretty much this

even with the boost which addresses a lot of the ships problems there are still 2 main problems.

Speed it is Slow and it has Signature of a barn [needs base speed boost on top of the proposed agility buff

Drone bay needs to have the raven Drone bay 75 m3 with 50 bandwidth.

CCP please do that on top what you proposed and Caldari have finally nice ship.

Raven Ether
Doomheim
#39 - 2011-11-08 11:44:53 UTC
Please fix the Rokh, it's not even a complex balance issue (comparatively).


With the incoming hybrid rebalance, it's an good time to do something that is long overdue....
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