Ships & Modules

Legions rock in WH space... Most groups role with Guardians + armor subcaps. Legion has good buffer, it also has the benefit of fairly even resists compared to other T3s (ie a tengu often needs an em resist mod - prot often needs an explosive one), being armour it'll probably have passive resists unlike a tengu so you won't diaf if you get neuted dry, small size, great instant damage projection with lasers (or lots of damage type choice with missiles), or it can neut a hell of a lot when fit for it.

Fitted with the tactical targetting sub and a sensor booster it'll lock as quick as a frigate and with Scorch ammo makes a great anti frigate ship before they get close - also great against stealth bombers and falcons.

But yeh, mainly it looks bloody cool :D

Personally I never really found a pvp tengu fit that I particularly liked, so my Caldari alt is now crosstrained for a HAM Legion.

ps - Zealot style Legion won't have drones.

I'd say that Neut Legion >>>>> Neut Pilgrim and Neut Ashimmu.

-Liang

cough ham legion cough

Yeah... I covered one area where it can make for a good ship, but you apparently want to ignore/dismiss it because it was a PvE aspect and you're apparently not looking for that. Not my fault on that regard, you didn't specify PvP work in the OP.



Given how players screw with things yes, yes I do. I also "seriously" think that T3s won't see any sort of balancing until the winter expansion if not next summer's expansion. If CCP continues in order of "just how outdated is it really" a lot of T2 ships will come in before T3 ships, and CCP will probably want to be a bit more careful with them than they were with T1 ships. That's not including the upcoming industrial update, further "polish passes" to already updated ships, and so on.



All my legion builds are PvE so they, as the one I did post, wouldn't be useful to you.

I had a Legion for a while for high sec missioning. Then I got a Nightmare. Happily sold the Legion.

Niche? Maybe what the T3 was originally intended for, but the other T3's still do WH space better. It's meh.

Legion gangs where phased out as armor incision fleet doctrine last year after the VG changes...



+1 skilled it for the look, learned to like it for Incursions and plexing, since it does pretty good dps at a lot of ranges, got a very good resist profile, can sig tank very good and shines when you have to deal with lots of small targets. While it isn't as good as the tengu for kinetic weak targets, against npcs without high EM resits it does a fairly decent job.

Doh! Forgot about that

And a dam bulky active tank HAM version very effective, not everywhere and not in all gang types but it's a very good legion version to fly.

There's one good thing about the Legion, and that's an immense amount of powergrid with the Power Core Multiplier. With just faction items, no deadspace, in PvP you have enough grid to fit a 100mn AB and a 1600mm plate, or a 10mn MWD and two 1600mm plates, without grid mods.

The first option gives 750 DPS, 130,000 EHP, and 2,000 m/sec speed before gang mods/implants with the sig radius of a cruiser. The second gives 646 DPS, 200,000 EHP, and 1,800 m/sec speed before gang mods/implants. None of these fits need any kind of cap mods/booster so you have 3 mids to play with. You can fit web/scram/ECCM and be almost impossible to jam, or just fit dual web to really lock stuff down.

Tengu can't get anywhere close to this because of the gimped fitting stats, you can't fit 6 launchers and a MWD on a Tengu without running out of PG, let alone any shield extenders.

In PvE, nothing beats shield tanked ships, but that's not a problem with the Legion or Tengu, it's a problem with the absurdly overpowered nature of the Gist line of shield boosters. A Gistum A-type MSB and Pith X-type SBA on a Tengu results in an almost 10:1 ratio of shield boost:cap spent. No armor tanked ship can beat a 4:1 ratio on armor repaired:cap spent no matter how much isk you spend on them.

I have no idea whatsoever why they made the Gist boosters so good compared to every other shield booster and every armor repairer. The best faction MAR has a base of 360 repair for 180 cap. The best faction MSB has a base of 90 shield boosted for 60 cap. The best deadspace MAR has a base of 468 repaired for 180 cap. The best deadspace MSB has a base of 170 shield boosted for 38 cap. Going from a faction to a deadspace armor tank is a 30% increase in efficiency, going from a faction to a deadspace shield tank is a 298% increase in efficiency.....

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