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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#41 - 2013-06-25 23:20:28 UTC
While you are waiting for improvements in EVE you might want to check Star Conflict (not SCitizen) for relatively fair starship pixelfights. There you can even lose money (a.k.a. time) if you are bad or unlucky - as it happens in EVE.
Gorgoth24
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-06-26 00:20:39 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
See, you posters so far have just played this game too much and are comfortable with the status as is.

Best of luck to you... I get it, there is a very strong base of entrenched players that don't want their cheese moved and many of your responses, IE. Biomass my toon..... are a perfect example of how you have lost the connection with a friendly gaming experience. You may have made friends with your own sorts, that like to bully or whatever it is that you get your kicks from, but there are players , like myself, my wife, kids, etc.. that would enjoy a space game as well, but loonies like most of you are too tight fisted to let go of your precious....


You exemplify poor sportsmanship to its finest and are perfectly comfortable scamming players, ganging up on new players, etc... in the gist of "it's all part of the game". When a player suggests a fair combat experience, you diss it immediately in numbers.... wow!


Am I the only one that read this as a compliment?

We "entrenched players" and "loonies" are not a minority, and are backed fully by the Developers, etc. that make this game. Watch fanfest, watch the ads; EVE isn't a place for your wife or your kids, this is a place for hardcore gamers that CCP has managed to retain over a decade (an accomplishment not rivaled in the gaming industry).

Robert Saint wrote:
Your game persona is "your persona" friends, as there is no difference. So if you're a jerk in game and you get your kicks from it, then well you're a jerk in RL as well.

You are simply different versions of "The Mittani"



I'm a well-adjusted, civilized person without a single run-in with the law or any drug/alcohol etc. issues in my history, with honors/top 10% to boot. I regularly attend community service at my local habitat for humanity and was at triage dispatch when a tornado recently hit my town. I'm also a ruthless pirate that preys on the weak and steals from the dumb. Attacks of a personal nature aren't going to work, as good people CAN BE bad gamers. I'm sorry you can't understand that
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#43 - 2013-06-26 00:26:00 UTC
I didn't get a response from the op at all. Do you not feel that players setting up and running something like this is a good idea?

It's an open world. There's so much that can be done by the players themselves. That's the kind of game CCP created, less themepark, more sandbox.

I get what you mean. I personally, wholeheartedly, support the addition of an NPC controlled stock market. But I also recognize the truth, that it can and probably should be setup and run by players themselves.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#44 - 2013-06-26 00:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Saint
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Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-06-26 00:58:57 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:



I read you're idea of getting the players to sanction such an event of fairness in PVP, but based on the posters responses, that would likely just be a scam of some sort anyway and laughed at later, not to mention very difficult to get new players involved in. I would try the test server, but we all know that really doesn't amount to much, as it's a whole different game when there is no score.

Didn't mean to ruffle feathers... I love everyone of you.... even the Biomass guy.

RvB probably has what you are looking for. They have a standing rule about honoring agreed too 1v1s.
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#46 - 2013-06-26 02:42:01 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
Ruze wrote:
I didn't get a response from the op at all. Do you not feel that players setting up and running something like this is a good idea?

It's an open world. There's so much that can be done by the players themselves. That's the kind of game CCP created, less themepark, more sandbox.

I get what you mean. I personally, wholeheartedly, support the addition of an NPC controlled stock market. But I also recognize the truth, that it can and probably should be setup and run by players themselves.



I read your comment, but it would seem certainly based on the overwhelming response to the contrary of my idea, that EVE is in fact a "Hard core" game as was stated.. It doesn't mean that i won't eventually fit into the PVP part of it, as I am building a bit of a Multi-Box PVP character base - so i can make more mistakes with a bit of a buffer, but was hoping for an add on to get started - that perhaps isn't something that is realistic at this time, and with this game. There really is no other game like EVE, so it's a join us or get out, and that works as I plan to stay and find my place.

I read you're idea of getting the players to sanction such an event of fairness in PVP, but based on the posters responses, that would likely just be a scam of some sort anyway and laughed at later, not to mention very difficult to get new players involved in. I would try the test server, but we all know that really doesn't amount to much, as it's a whole different game when there is no score.

Didn't mean to ruffle feathers... I love everyone of you.... even the Biomass guy.


Let's talk about the reason many of us are feel we have to defend the common ideals of this game so strongly.

You see a small change. You see what many would agree would be a positive change. But your not looking at the overall impact to the game, over the course of a decade. Many players here have seen that decade, and many of us have witnessed how a very minor, positive alteration early on can equal a large, game destroying change later.

Take Ultima Online. I played it. Loved it. One expansion ruined it, really. It was as innocent as providing a few new server shards that did not allow PvP. You would think that taking such a hard-core game that had a niche playerbase and giving it broader appeal would make it more popular, no? But proof showed that it didn't. Ultima Online is still online today, but with less than 10% of it's top playerbase.

Not many would call Star Wars Galaxies hardcore. But it took two significant changes to completely remove the luster and appeal of the game for most of it's core playerbase. Sacrificing it's harder, more complex nature for a simpler and more directed, public-appeal approach. Star Wars Galaxies is no more.

EvE Online. A niche game, the ONLY game of it's type on the market. Seriously, name one other MMO that is sandbox, includes industry, and is pvp full time. We're not even going to add the unsharded nature, because there isn't another unsharded mmo out there. The 'full time pvp' almost kills it, if it weren't for some of the World of Tanks simulation arena's out there.

The best thing about EvE is that it IS difficult to enjoy. It is difficult to get into. You feel accomplished by what you do. Each PvP kill, you celebrate. You survived. Or died.

Any change from this, the game we know and love, HAS to be scrutinized. You have to play chess with it. It's not what move your opponent is making now, but what move he'll make six or seven moves from now. What he's setting you up for.

Our opponent? Those who don't like the cold-harsh universe. Those that don't like the pvp. Those that don't like the ship loss and betrayals and scamming. They see changes that would make themselves happy. We all have things we'd be happier with, and are entitled to try to get them. But their changes wouldn't make us happy, either now or in the long run.

So I don't feel guilty for defending myself, and what I enjoy. And fighting for it. And I promise, when you find your love for this game, you'll be here on the forums defending it too.

Because any poster who can stick with it and deal with what is really mild-mannered picking on these here forums, will be better suited to enjoy EvE.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-06-26 02:47:00 UTC
OP read this thread completely and for a different take on arenas and there negative effect.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1859071#post1859071

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#48 - 2013-06-26 03:29:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Saint
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#49 - 2013-06-26 05:05:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Ruze wrote:
Robert Saint wrote:
Ruze wrote:
I didn't get a response from the op at all. Do you not feel that players setting up and running something like this is a good idea?

It's an open world. There's so much that can be done by the players themselves. That's the kind of game CCP created, less themepark, more sandbox.

I get what you mean. I personally, wholeheartedly, support the addition of an NPC controlled stock market. But I also recognize the truth, that it can and probably should be setup and run by players themselves.



I read your comment, but it would seem certainly based on the overwhelming response to the contrary of my idea, that EVE is in fact a "Hard core" game as was stated.. It doesn't mean that i won't eventually fit into the PVP part of it, as I am building a bit of a Multi-Box PVP character base - so i can make more mistakes with a bit of a buffer, but was hoping for an add on to get started - that perhaps isn't something that is realistic at this time, and with this game. There really is no other game like EVE, so it's a join us or get out, and that works as I plan to stay and find my place.

I read you're idea of getting the players to sanction such an event of fairness in PVP, but based on the posters responses, that would likely just be a scam of some sort anyway and laughed at later, not to mention very difficult to get new players involved in. I would try the test server, but we all know that really doesn't amount to much, as it's a whole different game when there is no score.

Didn't mean to ruffle feathers... I love everyone of you.... even the Biomass guy.


Let's talk about the reason many of us are feel we have to defend the common ideals of this game so strongly.

You see a small change. You see what many would agree would be a positive change. But your not looking at the overall impact to the game, over the course of a decade. Many players here have seen that decade, and many of us have witnessed how a very minor, positive alteration early on can equal a large, game destroying change later.

Take Ultima Online. I played it. Loved it. One expansion ruined it, really. It was as innocent as providing a few new server shards that did not allow PvP. You would think that taking such a hard-core game that had a niche playerbase and giving it broader appeal would make it more popular, no? But proof showed that it didn't. Ultima Online is still online today, but with less than 10% of it's top playerbase.

Not many would call Star Wars Galaxies hardcore. But it took two significant changes to completely remove the luster and appeal of the game for most of it's core playerbase. Sacrificing it's harder, more complex nature for a simpler and more directed, public-appeal approach. Star Wars Galaxies is no more.

EvE Online. A niche game, the ONLY game of it's type on the market. Seriously, name one other MMO that is sandbox, includes industry, and is pvp full time. We're not even going to add the unsharded nature, because there isn't another unsharded mmo out there. The 'full time pvp' almost kills it, if it weren't for some of the World of Tanks simulation arena's out there.

The best thing about EvE is that it IS difficult to enjoy. It is difficult to get into. You feel accomplished by what you do. Each PvP kill, you celebrate. You survived. Or died.

Any change from this, the game we know and love, HAS to be scrutinized. You have to play chess with it. It's not what move your opponent is making now, but what move he'll make six or seven moves from now. What he's setting you up for.

Our opponent? Those who don't like the cold-harsh universe. Those that don't like the pvp. Those that don't like the ship loss and betrayals and scamming. They see changes that would make themselves happy. We all have things we'd be happier with, and are entitled to try to get them. But their changes wouldn't make us happy, either now or in the long run.

So I don't feel guilty for defending myself, and what I enjoy. And fighting for it. And I promise, when you find your love for this game, you'll be here on the forums defending it too.

Because any poster who can stick with it and deal with what is really mild-mannered picking on these here forums, will be better suited to enjoy EvE.

*golfclap*

Couldn't have said it better. Kudos to you sir.

edit: bolded the part I consider to be the core of the argument.

How did you Veterans start?
Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-06-26 06:36:03 UTC
No carebear left behind act!
raawe
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2013-06-26 07:26:57 UTC  |  Edited by: raawe
I would actually support that. Would be a nice twist to a game and current pvp would still be available. (altho it cant be done like in wow but i'm sure it's doable) Maybe something like tournament games?
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#52 - 2013-06-26 07:33:28 UTC
This is the dumbest idea ever. I hope TC biomasses all his chars and stops playing
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#53 - 2013-06-26 08:15:14 UTC
Ruze wrote:
Let's talk about the reason many of us are feel we have to defend the common ideals of this game so strongly.

You see a small change. You see what many would agree would be a positive change. But your not looking at the overall impact to the game, over the course of a decade. Many players here have seen that decade, and many of us have witnessed how a very minor, positive alteration early on can equal a large, game destroying change later.

Take Ultima Online. I played it. Loved it. One expansion ruined it, really. It was as innocent as providing a few new server shards that did not allow PvP. You would think that taking such a hard-core game that had a niche playerbase and giving it broader appeal would make it more popular, no? But proof showed that it didn't. Ultima Online is still online today, but with less than 10% of it's top playerbase.

Not many would call Star Wars Galaxies hardcore. But it took two significant changes to completely remove the luster and appeal of the game for most of it's core playerbase. Sacrificing it's harder, more complex nature for a simpler and more directed, public-appeal approach. Star Wars Galaxies is no more.

EvE Online. A niche game, the ONLY game of it's type on the market. Seriously, name one other MMO that is sandbox, includes industry, and is pvp full time. We're not even going to add the unsharded nature, because there isn't another unsharded mmo out there. The 'full time pvp' almost kills it, if it weren't for some of the World of Tanks simulation arena's out there.

The best thing about EvE is that it IS difficult to enjoy. It is difficult to get into. You feel accomplished by what you do. Each PvP kill, you celebrate. You survived. Or died.

Any change from this, the game we know and love, HAS to be scrutinized. You have to play chess with it. It's not what move your opponent is making now, but what move he'll make six or seven moves from now. What he's setting you up for.

Our opponent? Those who don't like the cold-harsh universe. Those that don't like the pvp. Those that don't like the ship loss and betrayals and scamming. They see changes that would make themselves happy. We all have things we'd be happier with, and are entitled to try to get them. But their changes wouldn't make us happy, either now or in the long run.

So I don't feel guilty for defending myself, and what I enjoy. And fighting for it. And I promise, when you find your love for this game, you'll be here on the forums defending it too.

Because any poster who can stick with it and deal with what is really mild-mannered picking on these here forums, will be better suited to enjoy EvE.


Beautifully put. +1

As has been stated by many people in the past, if you want arena pvp you can have arena pvp already. Create a corp which is dedicated to arena pvp, pick a high sec system, advertise and get people who think like you to join you. CCP promote emergent game play but for it to work the players need to take responsibility for their wishes and desires and make them happen. Players do this all the time.

I think that having a dedicated arena pvp group would be a great addition to the game. I think CCP coding mechanics to make it 100% "fair" (although fairness is subjective and therefore it would be somewhat impossible) would be a terrible terrible thing.

Empower yourself. Create your vision. The tools are already at your disposal to build your dream.
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#54 - 2013-06-26 08:56:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Read the whole thread and genuinely surprised that no one posted HTFU link yet.

OP, if you whine that there is no learning curve for PvP - you're dead wrong. Leave your corp or rename it to "Playwrong", please.
Once you're done with it - join any academy of nullsec PvP corp and they'll teach you basics. There are some high/lowsec corps and organizations that might help as well: RvB, Brave noobs, E-Uni. if you can speak/understand Russian - Eve Flight School.

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Mark Androcius
#55 - 2013-06-26 09:57:34 UTC
This is basically the same as asking politicians to make new rules for muggers.
Only 1 thief per victim allowed to make it a fair fight.

https://androcius.wordpress.com
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Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#56 - 2013-06-26 09:58:29 UTC
We have arenas.

Its call null sec.
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
#57 - 2013-06-26 10:23:52 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
Why no! and Why get Out?

Explain yourselves a bit, and how long you've been playing this game!

Do you PVP all the time?
Do you want an unfair fight, is that it?
are you living with your parents?


If you want fair fights join AT, Syndicate League or start your own enterprise.

Also spouting about maturity and fairness and then insinuating that if you outnumber someone you live with your parents is a childish joke.

So GTFO.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#58 - 2013-06-26 10:30:43 UTC
Robert Saint wrote:
1) Create a PVP arena like in other MMO's


You should have stop here and not waste your time writing a single word more, the answers and opinions would still be exactly the same.

You want to pvp risk free of isk etc? -take some friends log in to SISI and go do your arena thing, that's exactly what that server provides you, free pvp for no cost and on top you can try new shinny features and mods.

removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#59 - 2013-06-26 10:43:02 UTC
EVE already has a PvP arena. It's called Singularity. Everything costs a meagre 100 isk and there is nobody around to interfere with your fights. If you and your friends on TQ want to have "fair fights" then just head over to Singularity.

Singularity is the name of the test server if you don't already know that.

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
Robert Saint
The Grumpy Dogs
#60 - 2013-06-26 15:28:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Saint
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