EVE General Discussion

Actually, I would have no idea about 10k dudes, the biggest 'conflict' of the year is going on right now, and local is peaking at 1400-1600. 10k has literally never happened, and the highest I've ever personally witnessed was 2400.





I think the Legion we use, fitted and rigged (including drugs and ammo) costs 540m; The actual cost of losing the ship doesn't really matter because it's covered by SRP, and I don't think there are any people in PL overtly concerned about having to retrain a 3-day skill back to level 5 (because let's face it, at 120m SP+ the average train is 20 days+).

The Redeemer and Sin I fly both have single modules that cost more than that, I have a Marauder but I won't comment on it's cost because it's literally only for bridging onto unsuspecting dudes and causing bad days (i.e. it's not really set up for fleet combat) and it also cost considerably more than any T3 I own.



The OGB thing, while being a heated argument; could literally be fixed by swapping the boost %'s with Command Ships (making them useful again); while we do use CS's in combat, we also have back OGB's since the Command Ships themselves are typically flown by FC's or assistant (Anchors, Target Callers, etc.)

Just because a group of skilled pilots choose to fly a ship, and are reasonably successful with it, that doesn't make the ship Over Powered, it just makes them better pilots than you. T3's do however, have a larger buffer for error since their tank can be pretty ridiculous without sacrificing too much dps/adaptability.

The DPS on all of them is well within what's achievable with other cruisers, only 1 T3 can boast a BS tank, and it's the same one that can do near similar to BS damage; and that's the proteus, sadly it can't do both at the same time, and it doesn't really have a role in fleet combat (well except for long points and smartbombs for a firewall).

If I could have a T3 with the tank of a Bhaalgorn, and the DPS of a Vindicator, then yes, that would be overpowered.

Please don't use logic, I beg you. How can these people talk about OP T3 if they can't combine multiple fits to get a "cloaky bubble immune cruiser with near BS EHP and decent DPS"?

I think most of this stuff is from the null sex bears (once again). They want to be able to throw up their bubbles for easy kills.

SP loss upon destruction, fitting cost and non-existent insurance coverage pretty much justifies T3's current performance, IMO.

Especially the impact of skill point loss. It's huge factor that people often ignore in their argument.
Losing a level 4 subsystem skill is losing nearly a day equivalent of SP investment and losing a lvl 5 subsystem is 5 days.
Sadly, you simply can't avoid losing ships in EVE.
I would say vast majority of T3 pilots have lost their ship at least couple times, more if you're not careful. Definitely more if you're using T3 for PVP. That's MILLIONS of SP loss to balance out shorter training time. I don't see any problem with it.

T3 are also expensive. Their fitting cost is *comparable to a faction BS but remember that insurance payout for T3 is like...a frigate. If you lose 1 bil worth of faction BS, you will get 400-500 mil back with Plat insurance. If you lose 1 bil worth of T3, your insurance payout is like 20 mil.

Higher risk and better performance, I would say T3 are working as intended.

No need to nerf.

Some re-balance among T3 will be good tho.

I do this. I roam around lowsec doing exploration sites from time to time and I carry the covert ops sub for travel and the ejection bay for combat sites. Scan down a combat site -> dock up, refit -> go do the site -> dock up, refit -> on my way.

It works pretty well and I'm glad that it works this way. I'd rather have "reconfigure in space" instead, though. Would make life a lot easier.

So much BAD in this thread. I can tell by the comments that most of the people complaining about T3s don't fly them.

You are taking the Tank of an OGB boosted, deadspace fit Proteus, the range of an all Vs heavy missile Tengu, the damage of an overheated HAM Legion and the off-grid boosted sig radius of the artillery-Loki, mashing them all into one ship which also has the ability to fleet boost and warp cloaked while nullified... and then you're complaining that this ship is over powered and can be bought for only 600mil?

This has got to be the most outrageous strawman I've ever seen. The T3s you people are complaining about simply don't exist.

Boosting T3s are too good. This is accepted and the Devs have already stated that this will change. But all their other configurations need either huge amounts of bling to fit/work or they just aren't that good.

You can say it until you are blue in the face but you will still be wrong.

If T3 hulls were cheaper than T1 & T2, they would be OP. The high price creates a barrier to entry and a much bigger investment risk when flying them. So price is a balancing factor, otherwise people would be flying nothing but T3's and super caps.

A moderate rebalance is on the way.

Yes. Fit them often. They are not battleships, theyre not unspecialized fleet ships, theyre extremely awesome cruisers for situational pvp. If you think they suck cloaky nullified you're not using them correctly.

Also if you need 150 Tengus to break a BS tank you need to revisit how you fit them oo

BTW I never said theyre OP, theyre about right imo.

They are OP.


It's a consequence of the pilot's decision to fly the ship, it has nothing to do with balance.


What?