Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Swap optical with any other sensor and you'll have same thing. For ship to receive any information it should be able to interact with some sort of input. Then any other ship using some sort of that input detection should be able to pick up that interaction. In other words - if ship uses D-Scan to detect things, then it should be detectable by D-Scan.

I am so tired of these care bear nerf cloaking posts. There is nothing wrong with cloaking as it stands. You are complaining about free intel in local for cloaked ships, but if you follow the golden rule of null sec and do not speak in local, there is not much intel to gain other than ships in space, and pilots in system. I live in curse and literally deal with afk cloakers on a daily basis. If you are smart you can gather your own intel about which afk'ers do nothing but afk, and which ones stalk ratters. You can obtain this information through observation, or by looking the character up on the any of the many killboard sites such as battleclinic and evekill. There is nothing wrong with afk cloaking, if you can not adapt to your surrondings in eve, either move to highsec, or quit playing the game, because you clearly should not be living in null.

I am so tired of these care bear nerf cloaking posts. There is nothing wrong with cloaking as it stands. You are complaining about free intel in local for cloaked ships, but if you follow the golden rule of null sec and do not speak in local, there is not much intel to gain other than ships in space, and pilots in system. I live in curse and literally deal with afk cloakers on a daily basis. If you are smart you can gather your own intel about which afk'ers do nothing but afk, and which ones stalk ratters. You can obtain this information through observation, or by looking the character up on the any of the many killboard sites such as battleclinic and evekill. There is nothing wrong with afk cloaking, if you can not adapt to your surrondings in eve, either move to highsec, or quit playing the game, because you clearly should not be living in null.

If you make local disapear from a ship which is claoked all you will be doing is breaking the game. if a cloaky ship can not see local you have just broken cov ops, stealth bomber, force recon, and black ops gameplay, effectivly making all those ship lines useless... how does this "fix" anything? seems to me all you really want is a bland game, where everything is the same with no differences between ships or ship classes... is your basis for what eve should be world of warcraft?

This suggestion is what I was referring to when I stated it would break cloak ships.

All details being considered and weighted... It seems the answer to AFK Cloaking's terror aspect is to ignore it while they are cloaked.
(A cloaked vessel not being capable of inflicting damage directly)

As it is not currently possible to evaluate threat levels properly under the current system, I suggest we upgrade local to exclude vessels which are not capable of interacting with ships and objects directly.

For balance, I would deny these classifications from accessing local at all. Let them be sent chat information in a version of local missing the pilot roster, no free intel for them. (Fully delayed local for all pilots present but not listed)

The vessels which should fit this classification for full local exclusion I described:

Vessels within the shields of a POS (They cannot target or fire, AFK POS items are misleading)
Vessels docked at an outpost (They cannot target or fire, AFK Outpost items are misleading)
Vessels cloaked in a system (They cannot target or fire, AFK Cloaked items are misleading)

Upgrading local intel with improved relevancy in this manner will benefit players wanting to know the actual active players present.

I'm not 100% sure that I understand what you're asking for. Am I correct that you're asking for Ships in POS, docked or cloaked to be removed from local? If so, Hell Yes! Please make it so sitting cloaked off of a gate/w-hole/POS isn't noticed by my presence in local. Please make it so my cloaked heavy tackle isn't noticed by null-bears until I lock down their bling-Mach. If you can convince CCP to do this I'll contract you a fully high-meta fit gank-Vindi and my first born child in the station of your choice.

I would agree with the following provisions; when your ship is cloaked:

you cannot move or warp
your camera bot turns off otherwise it will be detected
you cannot see local
you cannot see your overview
you cannot communicate with probes
you cannot use your ship scanner
you cannot use your directional scanner
you cannot be in fleet to provide a warp in

If all those things were true, then yes cloaked ships really couldnt inflict damage and it would be ok to remove them from local, but if any of these things are not true, cloaked ships can provide free from danger intel and therefore need to be in local.


it was not a troll response; you stated that cloaked ships cannot inflict damage on the enemy and therefore should be removed from local.

I listed a series of ways that cloaked ships can infact inflict damage on the enemy. If those ways are removed, then I agree with your statement that there is no reason to have them in local, however if any of the above provisions stay, they represent actual damage able to be inflicted on the enemy and it would be unbalanced to have someone undetectable able to cause such damage.