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Sigrand Bjold
Sakkura Industries
#1 - 2011-11-05 21:40:37 UTC
Greetings Eve Community!

I have decided to make my triumphant return to eve. I have a couple of questions about mission running setups.

I do have 2 accounts. This is my primary. This guy can currently fly Raven / Drake very well, I just got insanely bored with the Raven... something about the missiles just bugged me.

I am thinking of switching to something Amarr I do have a fair amount of skills for the BS's already trained up. Everything I have found for the Abaddon for mission running is something like 5 years old. Which currently does not help with all the changes to Eve over the years.

The alt I would like to use as a Remote Repper & Salvage if you could give me suggestions on that.

Also I am not hard and fast on the Abaddon( just think it looks sexy ). I am open to any other Amarr setups that would be great for running missions, preferably quickly. As I said I will have a repper ( just got to get him trained, just need a direction to aim at).

I look forward to your Help & Advice!

Thanks,
Sig
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2011-11-05 21:52:41 UTC
Welcome back :-)

I can't help you at all with amarr mission running ship advice and you've already head-off my usual advice with your stated aversion to missile boats. I do know that nighmares (well they're sorta amarr aren't they) get a lot of airplay in incursions, so I suspect they're also potentially decent mission runners.

My top-three, which obviously will be of little interest to you, are:
1. Rattlesnake - very good passive shield tanker, also good active shield tanker. Drone and missile skills for best DPS.
2. Machariel - who needs tank with that sort of gank?
3. Tengu - a very versatile ship. Can uber-tank and can also deliver pretty good DPS.

Good luck with your amarr quest. I'll look forward to the more expert advice on that matter.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Sigrand Bjold
Sakkura Industries
#3 - 2011-11-05 22:12:43 UTC
Thank you for the quick reply. I know missiles pretty much own mission running. After I had been using them for so long I just couldn't take staring at them anymore.

I like you options, although I am trying to keep it low for restart costs I only have 1.3 bill Roll

I was thinking maybe using a Domi with Salvage Alt or something different from a Domi. With all the changes in recent years I am not sure any longer what makes a good Mission Drone Boat. I absolutely hate the Domi design, can't even look at it without cringing.

Sig
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-05 22:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
if you have 1bil+ lying around, go with the nightmare. for sansha, serpentis and blood raiders lvl4s, there is no better ship, not even the mach. you also don't really need t2 guns.
put your second guy into a noctis or, if you aren't into salvaging, into some other high dps ship like a hurricane.

edit: also, the nightmare looks just awesome Cool

I should buy an Ishtar.
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-06 01:43:37 UTC
Given your skill progression i think that Tengu is your best bet. Personally I do not fly them (Mach is the way the truth and the light) But if you are already progressing down the Caldari tree Tengu is the best investment for your time.

90% of of the time my posts are about something I actually find interesting and want to learn more about. Do not be alarmed.

Sigrand Bjold
Sakkura Industries
#6 - 2011-11-06 04:33:02 UTC
I think I need to do a little research on these Tech III Ships. I am not fully yet aware of what they're purposes are and the descriptions on them are a tad vague.

I think for the time being I will go the classic mission runner and outfit a Domi which I already have some skills towards. I am still in search of a Drone Ship that tanks as well as the Domi does but doesn't look so darn bad(and not in a good way).

Sig
Kesshisan
#7 - 2011-11-06 04:56:06 UTC
Sigrand Bjold wrote:
II am still in search of a Drone Ship that tanks as well as the Domi does but doesn't look so darn bad(and not in a good way).


The ship you are looking for is called the Rattlesnake.
Katsihiro
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-11-06 05:24:03 UTC
Ishtar is a nice drone ship as well and can be armor or shield tanked without much isk.
Will Strafe
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-11-06 07:14:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Will Strafe
The Sansha Nightmare uses Caldari Battleship skills and shieldtanking, and Amarr Battleship skills and lasers. It is one of the best, if not the best, missionrunners.

It works very well with faction Tachyons, so you won't have to wait for Large Beams level 5 before you can fully use it.
Nimsir
Nex Inimicis
#10 - 2011-11-06 12:53:12 UTC
The Nightmare is a nice ship until you try to run some guristas or angel missions. If you are running mostly Sansha and BR its pretty awesome, but the better option for all around missioning in my opinion is to go with Minmatar ships.

Also screw using your alt to salvage or whatever. Train him for extra DPS.
Kamui Shirou
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-06 16:28:47 UTC
Sigrand Bjold wrote:
I think for the time being I will go the classic mission runner and outfit a Domi which I already have some skills towards. I am still in search of a Drone Ship that tanks as well as the Domi does but doesn't look so darn bad(and not in a good way).


The Domi alternatives are either the Rattlesnake or the Ishtar.

Fighting Guristas or Serpentis the Ishtar's tank is just absurd. I've tanked a level 10 Serpentis complex with 30+ BSes and 20 other assorted ships shooting my Ishtar and they never broke my fully passive tank.

If you're looking for a 2nd ship to RR your main ship which will be tanking everything, then I suggest the Domi. You can put a ton of Cap Rechargers in the the mids to be cap stable with several RR's.

As for salvaging, just train for a Noctis. I am physically unable to keep up with the rate at which it gobbles up wrecks. Having 2 full dps ships and coming in after with a Noctis will be faster than 1 dps ship with some half dps half salvage abomination.
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#12 - 2011-11-07 05:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Korgan Nailo
I could make a wall of text to explain, but I'll just note a few things for you to think about.

Pulse Lasers : if you can't use T2 ammo (Scorch), don't. That pretty much excludes all Amarr battleships.

Which Amarr BS? The Abaddon. Dual LAR, 3xHeat Sink, 2xhardener, no AB. Start like that, you can run both LARs and shot stuff. Get comfortable, start tweaking it for AB or TC.

Do you have 1.5 bil to spend? Yes? Nightmare. But for crying out loud do NOT fly it without a Gist or Pith, you'll just loose the ship. Note here, Nightmare is a great ship with Tachyons even without T2s.

Beware of the Tracking Disruption in Amarr space. That can and will get you in trouble.

Cap skills, all of them to V, despite maybe those rank 3 ones which could be just at IV.

Enjoy, PM if you need anything. I just went all that road recently.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-07 11:55:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Korgan Nailo wrote:
I could make a wall of text to explain, but I'll just note a few things for you to think about.

Pulse Lasers : if you can't use T2 ammo (Scorch), don't. That pretty much excludes all Amarr battleships.

Which Amarr BS? The Abaddon. Dual LAR, 3xHeat Sink, 2xhardener, no AB. Start like that, you can run both LARs and shot stuff. Get comfortable, start tweaking it for AB or TC.

Do you have 1.5 bil to spend? Yes? Nightmare. But for crying out loud do NOT fly it without a Gist or Pith, you'll just loose the ship. Note here, Nightmare is a great ship with Tachyons even without T2s.

Beware of the Tracking Disruption in Amarr space. That can and will get you in trouble.

Cap skills, all of them to V, despite maybe those rank 3 ones which could be just at IV.

Enjoy, PM if you need anything. I just went all that road recently.


i have to disagree with the nightmare shield booster part. from my experience, you can dps tank most non-gurista lvl4s, so you can get by with a faction xl or even a T2 booster if necessary. In fact, if cash is an issue, i would first invest in faction tachs and crystals, THEN buy a decnt tracking computer and THEN go for a deadspace XL (pith A or better).

I should buy an Ishtar.
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#14 - 2011-11-07 15:46:38 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:

i have to disagree with the nightmare shield booster part. from my experience, you can dps tank most non-gurista lvl4s, so you can get by with a faction xl or even a T2 booster if necessary. In fact, if cash is an issue, i would first invest in faction tachs and crystals, THEN buy a decnt tracking computer and THEN go for a deadspace XL (pith A or better).

My experience was scary on that matter. I had a few ships near me due to a new wave and simply couldn't run the T2 X-Large long enough before going cap drained. I had to warp out and I was REALLY glad I didn't have a scramble on me at the time.

For note:
X-Large T2: 600hp / 400gj / 5s
Gist C-Type X-Large: 525hp / 179gj / 4s
Pith C-Type X-Large: 660hp / 400gj / 4s

The difference here is, while the Gist won't give you tons of HP like the Pith, you'll be able to run it twice for the same amount of capacitor, usually being the difference between being able to run the thing for 3 minutes and blow some attacking ships to lower the income DPS OR being able to just run it for one minute and risk finding yourself in a bad position.

Different experiences, different comments, I'm sure Daniel's experiences were good, but even today, if I fly my nightmare without the Gist on it well.... I don't think I would.

I'm just saying that if he goes for the Nightmare as the first ship, contrary to other ships of 100 or 150 million which I wouldn't mind "testing" with, "testing" with a 1 billion ISK ship is a bit... unnecessary.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-11-07 16:15:27 UTC
gist xl is without a doubt better than pith xl but even a gist c-type was somewhere upward of 500mil last time i checked. as for spawns and warping out: use light drones and be sure to snipe frigates first. also, in some missions you don't have instant aggro, so if your tank is shaky, take a minute to slowboat ~20k away so you can outrange the damage.
needless to say that you should also know what spawns where in which mission unless you are flying an overtanked rattlesnake ;)

I should buy an Ishtar.
Sigrand Bjold
Sakkura Industries
#16 - 2011-11-07 23:40:09 UTC
It looks like I will aim towards the Rattlesnake. I like the it's Drone Abilities and the ability to fit an impressive tank ( That I can pretty much fly it right now, just got a couple gallante skills.

The nightmare for me right now is too expensive. Yes I have some capital but I would rather not blow it all on a single **** up.

Even right now I may just fit a Domi build to get some more and than switch to the Rattlesnake.

Thank you all for the advice. If you have more keep laying it on me.

Thanks!
Sig
Kamui Shirou
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-11-08 02:28:02 UTC
Sigrand Bjold wrote:
It looks like I will aim towards the Rattlesnake. I like the it's Drone Abilities and the ability to fit an impressive tank ( That I can pretty much fly it right now, just got a couple gallante skills.

The nightmare for me right now is too expensive. Yes I have some capital but I would rather not blow it all on a single **** up.

Even right now I may just fit a Domi build to get some more and than switch to the Rattlesnake.

Thank you all for the advice. If you have more keep laying it on me.

Thanks!
Sig


Watch out for Drone aggro. If you're not paying attention they can get shot down or worse, accidentally kill a trigger and spawn another wave when you're not ready. It's like babysitting 5 kids.

I think you can have the domi assign it's drones to your main ship so it can control them and you don't have to alt-tab to to the domi. I'm not sure how that works since I've never used that function.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#18 - 2011-11-08 09:55:07 UTC
Sigrand Bjold wrote:
Greetings Eve Community!

I have decided to make my triumphant return to eve. I have a couple of questions about mission running setups.

I do have 2 accounts. This is my primary. This guy can currently fly Raven / Drake very well, I just got insanely bored with the Raven... something about the missiles just bugged me.

I am thinking of switching to something Amarr I do have a fair amount of skills for the BS's already trained up. Everything I have found for the Abaddon for mission running is something like 5 years old. Which currently does not help with all the changes to Eve over the years.

The alt I would like to use as a Remote Repper & Salvage if you could give me suggestions on that.

Also I am not hard and fast on the Abaddon( just think it looks sexy ). I am open to any other Amarr setups that would be great for running missions, preferably quickly. As I said I will have a repper ( just got to get him trained, just need a direction to aim at).

I look forward to your Help & Advice!

Thanks,
Sig



A Nightmare would seem to be the obvious choice

(1) Uses lasers
(2) Uses your shield tanking skills
(3) Is awesome
(4) Spikes!
(4) VERTICAL


Seriously though it's far better than the Abaddon could dream of being.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016