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EVE Voice the savior against rising use of DDoS attacks?

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-25 17:50:45 UTC
With the rising 'coincidental' use of DDoS attacks on alliances services fighting the CFC over strategic timers; I wonder can EVE voice provide a sensible substitute for comms? It is my understanding that EVE Voice simply does not work for large fleets. Is CCP making strides to improve the quality of this mechanic and what lies ahead for it?
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-25 18:02:51 UTC
I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-06-25 18:07:49 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op

Haha. I'm not really interested in the DDoS aspect, but in the EVE Voice part of my OP. Blink

Is EVE Voice used in faction warfare or has each faction resorted to another form of comms for large fights?
Amarra Mandalin
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2013-06-26 00:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarra Mandalin
Seems to work fine in RvB but max fleet I've been in was 50ish, I think. Someone who spends more time there may know where the cutoff is such that quality becomes an issue.
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-26 01:07:18 UTC
Been using Eve voice for a long time. Largest fleet was in the high 80's although the number of pilots on Eve voice was around 50.

Eve voice issues

You can't have multiple speaking channels where you can different hot keys to access.

A few years ago it got sensitive. I started having lots of broken up coms though my mic. Found out I need a mic sock. Don't have the issues with any other VOIP but Eve Voice it is a must (for me).

limited hot keys.

No individual pilot volume control. That can be pesky and painful but the larger the fleet the fewer pilots are going to be speaking so probably moot.

Does not work out of Eve, unless they got the Eve voice though eve gate running and I have not heard of it.

Limited to fleet size if using fleet coms. Not a problem if you use a chat channel.



Advantages

Everyone has it.

Easy to get configured.

Any channel, any time. That said getting on fleet coms is different all the rest for some reason. Not a huge deal but you end up spending a lot of extra time explaining how to getting into fleet coms.

Works when Eve has crashed, as long as the client is still up. Kinda funny when you tell someone they have crashed when they are still in game (you see their ship do the emergency log off warp)

"Last Speaker on top" is flippin' awesome. Makes it easy to attach a voice to a pilot (my gangs have a lot of new pilots in them often). Another advantage is to have a pilot your warping in to speak so they end up on top of the list for easy right click and warp.


Granted, I have know used Eve voice in really large groups. Your probably better off using a chat channel as comes instead of fleet when the numbers get really high. In the end, if your primary coms are down, it would seem that any issues you would have with Eve voice would not matter since it would still be better then using text chat. Smile
Berke Negri
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-26 04:58:53 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op

Haha. I'm not really interested in the DDoS aspect, but in the EVE Voice part of my OP. Blink

Is EVE Voice used in faction warfare or has each faction resorted to another form of comms for large fights?

hey yeah guys i dont care about DDoS attacks, i just put it in the thread title
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#7 - 2013-06-26 05:09:07 UTC
I suffer from a Distributed Denial of Sanity.

These attacks are carried out by the Thankors and the valemolians.

yes

Amarra Mandalin
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2013-06-26 06:23:54 UTC
Berke Negri wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op

Haha. I'm not really interested in the DDoS aspect, but in the EVE Voice part of my OP. Blink

Is EVE Voice used in faction warfare or has each faction resorted to another form of comms for large fights?

hey yeah guys i dont care about DDoS attacks, i just put it in the thread title


In other words, focused on the solution not the problem...ya know, kinda like *cough* hostage release.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#9 - 2013-06-26 06:25:06 UTC
Confirming that Eve Voice is useless in fleets numbering larger than 1.

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are serious business sir.

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Zimi Zoom
#10 - 2013-06-26 06:49:06 UTC
Berke Negri wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op

Haha. I'm not really interested in the DDoS aspect, but in the EVE Voice part of my OP. Blink

Is EVE Voice used in faction warfare or has each faction resorted to another form of comms for large fights?

hey yeah guys i dont care about DDoS attacks, i just put it in the thread title


Please keep your seething passive aggressiveness in the 15$ VIP internet quarantine zone for spergy neckbeards.
ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#11 - 2013-06-26 07:10:26 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
I am da DDOSing haxxor in da op

Haha. I'm not really interested in the DDoS aspect, but in the EVE Voice part of my OP. Blink

Is EVE Voice used in faction warfare or has each faction resorted to another form of comms for large fights?

I can't speak for the other factions but Amarr has its own Teamspeak server. I assume the others do too.

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Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-06-26 07:21:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Knights Armament
What?
Marlona Sky wrote:
With the rising 'coincidental' use of DDoS attacks on alliances services fighting the CFC over strategic timers; I wonder can EVE voice provide a sensible substitute for comms? It is my understanding that EVE Voice simply does not work for large fleets. Is CCP making strides to improve the quality of this mechanic and what lies ahead for it?


Are they using low 0rbit ion cannon or some other tool to attack the server? Maybe ccp could include a hacking skill within eve that lets you jam the enemies comms/eve voice.

What we really need are faster internet service providers.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-06-26 07:52:11 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Even with a DDOS most voice servers offer better service to alliances than EVE's own voice chat.

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Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-26 11:44:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Barrel
Amarra Mandalin wrote:
Seems to work fine in RvB but max fleet I've been in was 50ish, I think. Someone who spends more time there may know where the cutoff is such that quality becomes an issue.


The trick would be then to form small fleets of ~50 men, which would even provide some plus points into the fleet specialization aspect at the price of having to manage and coordinate shitloads of fleets at the same time, which will require a 3rd party comms anyway (but much easier to hide).
Niko Takahashi
Yoshitomi Group
#15 - 2013-06-27 13:42:26 UTC
I can not imagine that you do not have one geeky bastard who can actually trace this back.
And you know nothing stops a DDOS goon better then the local police knocking down the door on his basement.

It is a crime even in places like Russia let alone the rest of the world.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#16 - 2013-06-27 15:19:30 UTC
For sisi mass tests eve voice is used with maximum size fleets. It seems to be fine.

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Del DelVechio
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
#17 - 2013-06-27 18:00:56 UTC
We have had 250 people in fleet in RvB before, albeit not everyday, and EV worked fine. Compared to my alts who use Mumble and TS in non-RvB Corps, EV compares very well, especially if you think about how easy it is to use. Of course there are those that have issues with it, but with people joining RvB all the time, the incidence of this is pretty small. Most people just click and go. And people have similar issue with the other options, not to mention the ones mentioned by the original poster.

People seem to bash EV, but it works very well in my experience.

Del
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#18 - 2013-06-27 19:20:57 UTC
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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-06-27 19:52:22 UTC
Del DelVechio wrote:
We have had 250 people in fleet in RvB before, albeit not everyday, and EV worked fine. Compared to my alts who use Mumble and TS in non-RvB Corps, EV compares very well, especially if you think about how easy it is to use. Of course there are those that have issues with it, but with people joining RvB all the time, the incidence of this is pretty small. Most people just click and go. And people have similar issue with the other options, not to mention the ones mentioned by the original poster.

People seem to bash EV, but it works very well in my experience.

Del

So it is a solid backup then. Nice. Then again if they realize we simply switch to EVE voice to get around the DDoS attacks they might just DDoS the EVE server, which of course would mean everyone suffers.
Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#20 - 2013-06-27 23:45:17 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Then again if they realize we simply switch to EVE voice to get around the DDoS attacks they might just DDoS the EVE server, which of course would mean everyone suffers.

The servers for EVE voice are run by Vivox, not CCP. You could technically DDoS Vivox and not affect EVE at all.

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