Wormholes

all i read about on here is that c3 sites are for small groups, c5,c6 for well skilled groups, why are c4's so forgotten? besides the logistics of getting stuff in and out are c4 sites that impossible to run?

me and a buddy are looking to c4 sites together , we tried c3 but were making 20 mill a site, with the time it takes to check every sig, close worm holes ect ect it didnt see, much point running them, and it was so easy , so im looking for a way we could run c4 sites, if things get a little close on tank or requires managing the site all thebetter to keep it interesting.

is there a way?

Can be done with 2x rr drakes if careful (before HM nerf atleast) with 2x rr tengu or more it's cake.

The sleepers like to stay far out. But once you get used to sites you know where you need to position yourself to do em quite fast.
Still think blitzing c3's would get you more ISK. Since c4 takes way longer to do and isn't that much of an ISK upgrade compared to c3 if it haven't changed.

Sentry RR domi could also work though it's BS hulls and sleeper might get annoyed at drones. TP/ECM should hopefully **** the sleepers off enough for them to stay on Domi's.

Just play around and you an probably find lots of viable setups that you can switch around to make the farming more fun :)

Some quickie Pros/cons:

1. C4's are a logistical pain (assuming you would be looking at C4/C4 to farm your static). Otherwise a C2/C4 wouldn't be bad if you want to farm C4's.
2. C4's are often more empty. This actually IMO makes farming the static a bit easier. C3's are more popular so more are populated and rolled into more for farming. You get denied less frequently (running sites and then someone jumps in before you can finish salvaging etc).
3. Range really isn't a huge issue. The bigger issue is that there is much more RR going on, which makes low DPS fleets even slower. While C4's can be solo'd, it is slow going due to RR.
4. C4 sites take longer, meaning you don't need a static with as many sites to make it worthwhile to run. C4 sites (as is the case as you move up WH class) derive more of their value from fixed price blue loot. In my experience this helps make them overall average higher than C3 sites. Most C4 anoms have a base value of 60mil (blue loot only, if you got no ribbons). IIRC C3's base value is about half that.
5. C4's suck ass for PVP. Harder to scan around, most systems are empty or have corps that I never see online (so many C4 holes with no activity, npc or otherwise for weeks at a time? What are they doing in there?)


All the random thoughts i have time for at the moment.

thanks for all the in put , its getting the pod goo moving helping me think, i like the higher consistency of isk. Is there such a thing as a c2 with low sec and c4 statics ?

multibox

Yeah, pretty much every1 in C4 space is a rabid multiboxer.

You can do them fairly well with 2 tengus

Choose the shield bonus thingy and do eet with 2 rr tengus? iirc i tried it like that once we had a connection and it worked fine. The tengu's was somewhat bling though.

You can do c4 sites quite easily with one RR domi and a guardian. I think one large rep is enough to keep the guardian alive.

I live in a C4 and seldom run the sites in there. They're hard. REALLY hard to solo and even with 2 RR tengus you need to stay awake and micro manage every move. The radar sites are especially nasty. You really can't run those solo no matter what the cut of your jib is on the forums.

When we do run them we run them as a group with a carrier for logistics.

As opposed to running the C4 anoms I much prefer to run the C3 ones solo. They're 90% easier. The isk is about the same too. The C4 anoms will pay out in the 200-230 mil range per hour in a group and the C3 ones pay out in the 130 range per hour dual boxing. YYMV but if it were me I wouldn't bother with C4 anoms if you're only dual boxing unless one of your guys in in a carrier.