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Republic citizens, let's talk about the Federation

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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#21 - 2013-06-25 11:20:51 UTC
Havohej wrote:
Look at the judgement, here, Matari. Look at the attempts at ridicule and shame.

Have you all nothing to say of these... I hesitate to call them people, even!

I mustn't be the only one fed up with the Federalists and their nonsense. Or do you all tend to agree with Electus Matari's traditionally pacifist view?

*shakes his head in disgust as he slams his palm down on the Transmit button.


Electus Matari took part in the invasion of Coleile, and fought, without question, in the ensuing battle. Elsebeth Rhiannon herself was in command, with command falling to me when her ship was destroyed in the course of the fight. Diehard Midularites, both of us, as I am guessing you know.

I did not see you there, cousin. You pacifist.

As long as you breathe, there exists a profound source of shame that I cannot blame the Gallente for.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#22 - 2013-06-25 11:22:23 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I love seeing the savages frothing at the mouth while spouting their delusions of superiority to everyone. By all means, continue.


Well? Go on, continue.


Silas, I have never loved you more.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Vinh Trahn
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
#23 - 2013-06-25 12:49:11 UTC
Pacifist view, no.

I flew out to Colelie with the EM fleet that day. I made a judgement call on the spot after a request from a corp member. I made a concious choice, it was the best choice at the time. And for what I have sown I will reap when the time comes.

There are larger things at hand, larger than the current conflict between the Federation and the Republic.

On a personal account I do not feel that we should be investing time, money and effort into damaging relationships. We shouldn't be out here on a public forum belittling ourselves by making snide remarks to each other in separate conversations. It's as if we are talking behind someone's back while that someone is in the same room as us.

What happened happened and we can only stand to learn from it, let both sides learn from it, and form that learning draw their conclusions, and with those conclusions make their decisions.

Fear not this night. You will not go astray. Though shadows fall still the stars find their way.

Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-06-25 12:54:10 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
I did not see you there, cousin. You pacifist.

I apologize for missing an opportunity to take the same field as Electus Matari to shoot at the same targets... we did that only once in the past, a pirate hunting roam through Molden Heath and I believe into Derelik (it was quite a while ago, the memory fades), but I did find your pilots to be quite professional and very much about their business once the guns were allowed to spool up.

It's your alliance's pacifistic political stance that I find... lacking. No one could ever call you anything less than Minmatar once the shooting starts.

As for why I missed this most recent opportunity... well, I hadn't yet been released from prison. Where I spent quite a while away from my capsule and my vessels. For doing violent things to deserving enemies of our people, regardless of laws or politics.

There's not an ounce of pacifism in me... political or otherwise. I would love to see the same in -EM-. Perhaps soon, now that the Federalists are beginning to open up honestly about just how much they've despised and resented our 'friendship'?

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

OOC Forums @ Backstage

Derin Phobos
Kinetic Technologies
#25 - 2013-06-25 13:27:51 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:

Electus Matari took part in the invasion of Coleile, and fought, without question, in the ensuing battle. Elsebeth Rhiannon herself was in command, with command falling to me when her ship was destroyed in the course of the fight. Diehard Midularites, both of us, as I am guessing you know.

I did not see you there, cousin. You pacifist.

As long as you breathe, there exists a profound source of shame that I cannot blame the Gallente for.


You...took part? May I ask whom you were firing upon?

Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#26 - 2013-06-25 13:57:25 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Electus Matari took part in the invasion of Coleile, and fought, without question, in the ensuing battle. Elsebeth Rhiannon herself was in command, with command falling to me when her ship was destroyed in the course of the fight.


Wait.

...what?
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-06-25 14:41:03 UTC
Again, I'd like to urge Federal citizens to stay out of this thread, just as we hope that others will stay out of our discussion.

Electus Matari's participation in Colelie is a matter of record, with extensive discussion on the subject available in IGS history. A search for "Colelie" is sufficient.

Bio and writing

(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated)

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#28 - 2013-06-25 15:33:44 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
We're better than that.


Ms. Rella advocating for a peaceful solution. That's a new. Then again, at least the hypocrisy is still firm there.
I'm kind of disappointed, I'd expect you'd be the first one to defect to Mr. Havohej's terrorist option and cause there.


Shut the hell up, Caine. I'm no terrorist or extremist and never have been. I've always advocated for peaceful relations between people, at least when those people make an honest attempt at mutual understanding, trust and some level of respect. Those whom I've suggested the universe would be better off without include lying criminals like yourself, traitors like Halete and unrepentant warmongers/cultural imperialists like, well... most imperial zealots.

Neither myself nor any member of EM participates in or advocates terrorism, or random acts of violence particularly when those acts involve the targeting of non-combatants. Havohej's reply to me should have been your clue but, you're far too busy slinging mud to have grasped that, I suppose.

Before you accuse me of extremism and hypocrisy you might want to stop listening to the propaganda and do some research. My posting history on this medium is extensive and easy to find if one cares to look. When you do you'll find that my stances are quite moderate and rationally based.

Oh, and get the hell out of this thread Angel scumsucker.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-06-25 15:38:07 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Those whom I've suggested the universe would be better off without include lying criminals like yourself, traitors like Halete...


I act in the best interests of the Tribe, a pursuit I have striven for my whole life. Your remark is resentful.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-06-25 20:47:56 UTC
Havohej wrote:

They thought they knew who we were when they 'befriended' us. They thought we were weak - after all, we'd allowed ourselves to become enslaved to begin with. They thought we were simple-minded and primitive - our earliest starships being built on outdated tech and jury-rigged to fly. They thought we would be an easily-controlled puppet state, like Intaki. They think we can be spoken down to, chastised as though we were children rather than Matari warriors!

I think they were wrong. I think in my heart of hearts that Shakor will not stand for it any longer.

I think that when they condemn the Republic for its incursion at Colelie they would be better served to remember what we're often reminding the slaver of: We will come for ours. They would be better served to remember that we were a warlike people before we were a spacefaring people.


They say, "Let's see how they like it when they don't have us to support them anymore."

I say, "Let's see how the Federation likes it when they don't have us to kick around anymore."

What do you say, Blood of Pator? I want to hear your view of the Gallente and their pets - the Jin-Mei, the Intaki, and the nearly traitorous Federation citizens who share an ancestry with Us. Can we yet trust them? Have they tipped their hand a touch too far and revealed an insidious and manipulative enemy in disguise? Let's talk about the Federation.


Well there is a reason why tension between the Federation and the Republic is increasing, excluding Colelie. It was bound to happen sooner or later.

After the Minmatars were successful in kicking out the Empire out of its territories and gained a cease fire from them, the Federation at first wanted the Minmatars to join the Federation as the newest signatories.

As you can clearly see this did not happen. Only because in doing so would have given the Empire a reason to go to war against the Federation. Also our space was in ruins further putting a dent into that prospect. Nevertheless we became an independent nation but effectively becoming a client state of the Federation. This was help by the fact our government and most of our institutions were modeled after the Gallentees. This continued until the Midular government collapsed.

When Maleutu Shakor took over, he sets out to return the Republic to its tribal roots. The first steps done to accomplish this were the abolition of the parliament & starting the process for establishing the council of tribal heads. These actions are in fact a rejection of Gallentee influence. Let's not forget this is the second time that this has happened to them. First it was the Caldari, now us.

**Puts on tinfoil hat... "We kinda hurt their feelings." "I mean this is the 2nd time they have been rejected riteRoll?"
**Remove tinfoil hat

The incident in Colelie, in my opinion, was probably the Republic telling the Federation, in its own way, to stop treating it as a Federation client or satellite state. Whether you agree with this action or not , that is a different subject.

So in response , many in the Federation are feeling betrayed, considering that were a big part in helping us gain our independence, although the Jove was involved as well. This is understandable. What many of them fail to see is that the Republic is now in the process of trying to find and define it's own identity.

We would like a chance to determine our own destiny without having someone telling us what to do or how to go about doing it at every single turn. In short, we would like them to follow the lead of the Jove in letting us handle our own internal/external affairs.

Another major source of irritation is the lack of respect that the Federation seem to have for the Republic. The Republic would like to be treated as an actual "independent" entity. No longer as a client state.

In order words, The Federation should have realize back then when the Minmatar did not become a signatory of the Federation, that we were not going to remain a client state forever. The days of cultural paternalism by the Feds are gone.

They need to get over the fact that the paths that we choose to travel are not going to be the same as theirs.
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-06-25 20:50:45 UTC
Halete wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:
Those whom I've suggested the universe would be better off without include lying criminals like yourself, traitors like Halete...


I act in the best interests of the Tribe, a pursuit I have striven for my whole life. Your remark is resentful.



Hey look from my understanding you left the Tribe.

So please stay out!

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#32 - 2013-06-25 21:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Derin Phobos wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:

Electus Matari took part in the invasion of Coleile, and fought, without question, in the ensuing battle. Elsebeth Rhiannon herself was in command, with command falling to me when her ship was destroyed in the course of the fight...


You...took part? May I ask whom you were firing upon?


You might want to read Clarification on Electus Matari actions in Federation space today - a statement issued by Captain Rhiannon.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

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