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New Navy Battlecruisers.
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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#21 - 2013-06-25 14:43:21 UTC
Ruze wrote:
It's possible that CCP will adjust the price in the future, if these aren't seeing enough use.





CCP dont set the price

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Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-06-25 14:49:19 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ruze wrote:
It's possible that CCP will adjust the price in the future, if these aren't seeing enough use.





CCP dont set the price


They control most of the variables, that determine the price on the market, so it seem ridiculous to pretend they can't adjust the price.
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#23 - 2013-06-25 15:25:04 UTC
Did anyone else read the subject as 'New Baby Battlecruisers'?

Or am I just having one of those days...

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#24 - 2013-06-25 16:40:34 UTC
Anderson Footman wrote:
It seems underhanded to add a new ship, and then outright state that it is the old ship, while replacing the original ship with a watered down version. Why did pre-existing hurricanes suffer a downgrade if they're the same ship? It makes no sense at all.

The Navy Issue Drake brings nothing new to the table, and only a slight change in it's capabilities, making it more suited for destroying frigates. This does not justify the price of it, though. I am not inclined whatsoever to use a Navy Issue Drake over a normal Drake.



as far as im aware, a destroyer, does a better job at killing frigs then any Battlecruiser.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#25 - 2013-06-25 17:00:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
destiny2 wrote:
Anderson Footman wrote:
It seems underhanded to add a new ship, and then outright state that it is the old ship, while replacing the original ship with a watered down version. Why did pre-existing hurricanes suffer a downgrade if they're the same ship? It makes no sense at all.

The Navy Issue Drake brings nothing new to the table, and only a slight change in it's capabilities, making it more suited for destroying frigates. This does not justify the price of it, though. I am not inclined whatsoever to use a Navy Issue Drake over a normal Drake.



as far as im aware, a destroyer, does a better job at killing frigs then any Battlecruiser.

The old Hurricane was very, very over powered in comparison with others BC's in it's category and price range.
The Navy Hurricane, while very similar to the old, is actually an improvement over the old one in several ways.

The Navy Drake is designed to use different tactics, similar to the old Cavalry setups we used to see. It is used in a much different way than the normal Drake. Improved capabilities versus smaller/faster craft is very helpful in this regard, and bonuses towards all damage types is a long requested capability.

Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down. Smile

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#26 - 2013-06-25 17:06:37 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Anderson Footman wrote:
It seems underhanded to add a new ship, and then outright state that it is the old ship, while replacing the original ship with a watered down version. Why did pre-existing hurricanes suffer a downgrade if they're the same ship? It makes no sense at all.

The Navy Issue Drake brings nothing new to the table, and only a slight change in it's capabilities, making it more suited for destroying frigates. This does not justify the price of it, though. I am not inclined whatsoever to use a Navy Issue Drake over a normal Drake.



as far as im aware, a destroyer, does a better job at killing frigs then any Battlecruiser.

The old Hurricane was very, very over powered in comparison with others BC's in it's category and price range.
The Navy Hurricane, while very similar to the old, is actually an improvement over the old one in several ways.

The Navy Drake is designed to use different tactics, similar to the old Cavalry setups we used to see. It is used in a much different way than the normal Drake. Improved capabilities versus smaller/faster craft is very helpful in this regard, and bonuses towards all damage types is a long requested capability.

Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down. Smile


it depends really it wouldnt be the first time ive seen destroyers or even frigs take down a ship 5x their size. you put a noob ina navy drake any experianced pilot could beat it.

heck ive seen purifiers kill tengu's loki's and legions before so it actually isnt hard to do so lol.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#27 - 2013-06-25 17:06:43 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:


Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down. Smile


Don't inject logic. I was enjoying watching him embarrass himself.

Also, ITT: Many poor people who don't understand how prices work.
Rage MorbidCloud
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-06-25 17:12:12 UTC
stop buying them so the prices will go down if you think they are overpriced
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#29 - 2013-06-25 17:23:00 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
destiny2 wrote:
Anderson Footman wrote:
It seems underhanded to add a new ship, and then outright state that it is the old ship, while replacing the original ship with a watered down version. Why did pre-existing hurricanes suffer a downgrade if they're the same ship? It makes no sense at all.

The Navy Issue Drake brings nothing new to the table, and only a slight change in it's capabilities, making it more suited for destroying frigates. This does not justify the price of it, though. I am not inclined whatsoever to use a Navy Issue Drake over a normal Drake.



as far as im aware, a destroyer, does a better job at killing frigs then any Battlecruiser.

The old Hurricane was very, very over powered in comparison with others BC's in it's category and price range.
The Navy Hurricane, while very similar to the old, is actually an improvement over the old one in several ways.

The Navy Drake is designed to use different tactics, similar to the old Cavalry setups we used to see. It is used in a much different way than the normal Drake. Improved capabilities versus smaller/faster craft is very helpful in this regard, and bonuses towards all damage types is a long requested capability.

Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down. Smile


it depends really it wouldnt be the first time ive seen destroyers or even frigs take down a ship 5x their size. you put a noob ina navy drake any experianced pilot could beat it.

heck ive seen purifiers kill tengu's loki's and legions before so it actually isnt hard to do so lol.

Always a possiblity, this being EvE and all. Point taken, but I was speaking in generalities.

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Anderson Footman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-06-25 17:51:21 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down. Smile


Don't inject logic. I was enjoying watching him embarrass himself.

Also, ITT: Many poor people who don't understand how prices work.


I understand exactly how prices work. The performance offered by the Navy Issue Drake, in my opinion, simply does not match the price tag set by the free market.
Jay Kreutzer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-06-25 18:45:14 UTC
Anderson Footman wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down. Smile


Don't inject logic. I was enjoying watching him embarrass himself.

Also, ITT: Many poor people who don't understand how prices work.


I understand exactly how prices work. The performance offered by the Navy Issue Drake, in my opinion, simply does not match the price tag set by the free market.


well, given that you 'know how prices work', you'll understand that obviously, your opinion isn't shared by many people.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#32 - 2013-06-25 18:46:02 UTC
It's the MMO equivilent of DLC.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#33 - 2013-06-25 18:58:36 UTC
Anderson Footman wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:


Lastly, comparing the capabilities of a destroyer in the mix is just a bit silly. How many destroyers do you think would die before they brought a Navy Drake down. Smile


Don't inject logic. I was enjoying watching him embarrass himself.

Also, ITT: Many poor people who don't understand how prices work.


I understand exactly how prices work. The performance offered by the Navy Issue Drake, in my opinion, simply does not match the price tag set by the free market.


Your opinion is irrelevant to the prices borne by the market. If you don't feel you're getting a good deal, then don't pay. Obviously the majority of people who are paying those prices disagree with you; it's their opinion that matters.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-25 19:16:24 UTC
The new brutix is hilarious. 1,000 dps with 77k ehp? Yes please.

Dodixie > Hek
Anderson Footman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-06-25 19:57:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Anderson Footman
Domanique Altares wrote:
Obviously the majority of people who are paying those prices disagree with you; it's their opinion that matters.


Only the people who spend money on it matter?

I don't think you understand how lack of demand impacts average prices.

When less people desire a product, fewer retailers will provide the product due to the fact that less sales volume directly correlates to less profit. Time equals money. Existing stocks will not sell as fast and will not generate as much profit as other, more desirable products.

This means that those who decide to sell the product will have to do so at a higher price in order to recuperate the initial investment in relation to the amount of time it takes to sell the product.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#36 - 2013-06-25 20:18:00 UTC
Anderson Footman wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Obviously the majority of people who are paying those prices disagree with you; it's their opinion that matters.


Only the people who spend money on it matter?

I don't think you understand how lack of demand impacts average prices.

When less people desire a product, fewer retailers will provide the product due to the fact that less sales volume directly correlates to less profit. Time equals money. Existing stocks will not sell as fast and will not generate as much profit as other, more desirable products.

This means that those who decide to sell the product will have to do so at a higher price in order to recuperate the initial investment in relation to the amount of time it takes to sell the product.

Except if people won't pay the current price, let alone the higher one, those producers that still put out the product are forced to lower their price if they wish to continue. If the price to manufacture the item prohibits making a profit at all, then the item becomes scarce.

Of course, this being EvE, SOME dim wit will still produce the item even if he is losing money on it.

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Anderson Footman
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2013-06-25 20:25:25 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

Except if people won't pay the current price, let alone the higher one, those producers that still put out the product are forced to lower their price if they wish to continue. If the price to manufacture the item prohibits making a profit at all, then the item becomes scarce.

Of course, this being EvE, SOME dim wit will still produce the item even if he is losing money on it.


That's right. It explains why the price will go down as people realize the limited utility of the Navy Issue Drake.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#38 - 2013-06-25 20:29:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Anderson Footman wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

Except if people won't pay the current price, let alone the higher one, those producers that still put out the product are forced to lower their price if they wish to continue. If the price to manufacture the item prohibits making a profit at all, then the item becomes scarce.

Of course, this being EvE, SOME dim wit will still produce the item even if he is losing money on it.


That's right. It explains why the price will go down as people realize the limited utility of the Navy Issue Drake.

The price will go down because it won't be the new shiney anymore. Smile

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-06-25 20:30:52 UTC
Miilla wrote:
It's the MMO equivilent of DLC.

What?
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