EVE General Discussion

What exactly are you basing your claims on?
Do you have extensive PVP experience with the Legion?
Do you examine and refit your legion using EFT on occasion and experiment with different fittings?
Do you have extensive experience with flying the other 3 strategic cruisers?
Do you have usage stats to show, such as kill/death ratios from killboards such as battleclinic or evekill?
Why do you even assume straight away that the legion will be nerfed?

I didn't see any of these answered in your post so unfortunately I'm gonna have to CALL BULLSHIT on this whole thread.

Simply blanket buffing the HACs to the point where they can compete will ALSO obsolete T3, because of the price and SP-loss. The only way to achieve balance without obsoleting a class of ships is by balancing them around roles. The problem is that the community hasn't a lot of roles to fill for cruiser-sized ship classes (and the T3 already fits and excels in many of them).

Personally I think it's best if CCP goes back to their original plan of making T3 the most versatile ship (with reduced overall power, especially the tank) by allowing pilots to easily change their subsystems in Ship Maintenance Bays (maybe even linking fitted modules and rigs to the subsystems instead of the ship itself to make it even more fluid).

The role of T3 should be re-focused on (expensive) versatily, simply because that's a role the HACs do do at all.

Maybe to supplement this versatility role a new (T3 industrial?) class ship is needed that can join and keep up with roaming T3 fleets offering a limited Ship Maintenance Bay.

what changes to T3s?

seriously cant find anything in dev blogs patch no9tes or features and ideas

wtf are you all talking about?!

No Baltec I still have to disagree with you because of a simple fact: T3's are only cruisers because CCP used the term "Cruisers" instead of "ship" or "hull"

T3's are a class ship on their own that have nothing of a cruiser but the size and skills pre requisite, by the way CCP should simply change the name of Strategic Cruiser in to "Strategic Space Craft" to end up with this silliness and incomprehension or hate going around T3's.

The skill requirements for these ships while being at an acceptable level, I still think they should require a bit more because despite them working far better than T1 cruisers with low level skills the only way to make them perform really good is to get all 5's, OGB and combat boosters/implants, so why not add some of these skills to justify the use of these making them so much better?

No matter how much people will say price is not an argument for balance thing is that CCP states exactly the opposite, see last ships rebalance and building cost after rebalance, thus cost is an argument of balance, therefore a 750M hull competes in price terms with a T2 battleship one end of the line.

Noiserevus made a very good point including eve economics and ship performances vs price, players choices etc. You should take a look at, a bit wall of text like Noiserevus can do but a very good post making perfect valid points.

I have flown many Legions over the last two years. What's wrong with it? Seems fine to me.

CSM mentions T3 - so we all assume they will be exactly the same as they are now doing the same things, only worse?

This thread is one of the worst knee-jerking-circle-jerks ive seen in a while.


The tengu will be fine, CCP flys them on missions and anomnomnoms - If anything Tengu needs a bigger stronger bonus to ecm while fitting a covops.

C'mon you got my point about moving 10k dudes.

I'll go back to your point about those being good at killing BS fleets: no matter how much people want to leave aside the cost/value balance argument the simple fact is that a hull worth 3 times at least of a BS has to offer something to be able to compete with.

We're talking about ships hulls worth of a T2 BS hull value, you can kill an sbu with ibis like with T2 BS or Titans, ibis too powerful?

You can jam the crap out of whatever ship regularly fitted with a nice skilled pilot in an Ibis, nerf Ibis? -too powerful for a 0isk ship to be able to jam the crap out of a 1B+ hull?

T3's are a class ship on their own and imho pretty balanced after odissey, some need a bit of boost but I will remain on my position command subs should simply be removed can changed for something like cloack bbler able to fit 3 bbles or + with a T1 cruiser max EHP (trade off)

Now, pick 800mm T2 fitted Raxes and jump in range of that battleship fleet, tell me what happens. Are raxes too powerful?

T3's are not OP, it's the uses players do with and fits they came with on top of a stupid mechanic that is OGB/links.
Take T3's away from the game what would this do but make players theory craft another thing everyone would cry about?
Nerf them to the ground, why? -what's the point?

Is that a problem though? Are PL fielding T3 fleet comps that are unbeatable? If not then how can they be OP?

I think the only people who say this are the ones that try and take on a proteus in their drake without understanding what the ship is capable of.

Aw