EVE General Discussion

Its too quiet......

I see people want to "ship up" to SBs and black ops.

Getting new players to go for advanced hulls for nullsec PVP early one is a good thing.

The reasons are simple.

First, getting them to PVP is good for them and for the game. Certainly there are other things to do like exploration but you get PVP with the exploration if you are not careful OR you hate the minigame so much you wait for the explorer to finish it then take his stuff.


Second, a lot of new players suffer from the "bigger is better" mentality in the ship size progression. They usually go for the battleship or battle cruiser without a good amount of experience with smaller craft. Thus they move to bigger racks with more slots and don't know what to do with them. They also don't learn the appreciation for taking a smaller hull and getting as much out of it as you can.

Meanwhile, as for highsec attacking nullsec, why not? Certainly it's not the way the present status quo would like it. Let's think of this for a moment: all of that complaining about highsec is usually couched in "it should just be a noob starter zone".

Using high sec to stage a war from is probably the biggest way to insult the gate campers and feudalistic nullsec overlords. Everything that is wrong with highsec, as they put it, brought to bear against them in a manner of war is likely to grind a lot of gears. NPC stations with production, Concord, the list can be long on this one.

But.... this IS indeed a sandbox, no?

I have no hatred of nullsec though. It's just space, but there are a lot of people who complain endlessly about highsec. There are those who are forthcoming in their gripe and respected. They outright say they want to violence your boat and take your stuff. They, at the least, are not in highsec playing aggro-fu and station games. But the vast majority of the complainers, those who are not being truthful, have some beef with highsec that ranges from hating it as being the only place they can get ISK to nullsec not being everything they thought it was, but won't come to terms with that.

So many who have been to nullsec bought into the lie that it's the end game or you can get PVP there and so they go, and find things are not what they seem, and this is due to... other players. And this is not in the manner that they would fail to accept that this is an MMO. I think everybody gets that part, but that loss due to drama and petty crap eventually wears people down.

Also the expectations are beyond what a lot of people have. Are they failing? Why should they care?


If highsec was to wage a non-state 4th generation styled war on nullsec, what would be the effects of that?


I think it would be a good thing in the long run. First, you get players, especially new ones, into PVP and this game is all about PVP (sorry, it is - and my stats should show I am not Mr PVP here). Anything to break people out of this mindset of ISK-obsession and trying to "play house" with glimmer ships and the whole nine yards of carebeardom. Seriously. What became of highsec incursions is shameful, for example.

It would also be a path to get more people to nullsec because the war would not really be that effective on nullsec, given the hardware required to actually invade and keep it. The real destruction would be to what I call "The Great Wall of Carebear". New players who make forays into nullsec early on in life to attack it will breath new life into it. I like to point out there are carebears on BOTH sides of that wall. Well, if carbears are so horrible, then let them suffer on both sides of it.


I know that a lot of players would disagree, but I ask, how could the PVPers be against this? How could anybody already out there in nullsec now be against this?

Is it because this is not happening on... YOUR terms?

Is it because new players NOT spending years racking up ISK and expensive ships and then making a foray into your gate camp, but instead coming in a PVP equipped T1 frigate and shooting back? Does it bother you because all you wanted were more targets? (ah but you say you want "PVP" - there's "P" on both sides of that "V")

Are you perturbed perhaps because they are not joining your corp or alliance (how dare these "scrubs" and "pubbies" not bend their knee and show allegiance to the "owners"!) ?

If these issues apply to you, then consider it deeply for THIS is what I hope to see the player base at war against.

day 6

good day at the carebear fleet, yesterday I had the chance to fly with 2 experienced stealth bomber pilots, they teached me their wartactics and how to move around in null sec save, slowely we pushed forward into goonspace gathering intel of each area... but nobody was there, it seems they burried themeselfes deep down in their cave, it was so quiet and peaceful I even parked my starship in space to have a nap for the night :)

Now Im stuck in a dream called real life and need to do some boring stuff infront of a tool called excel, but I hope I wake up soon and be again in my starship fighting goons... to be continued :)

I smell OP is a goon alt :)

I would not put it past the goons to start some kind of program like this that keeps their own membership from becoming complacent and "bearish".


But I think the general idea is sound: get new players to roam nullsec looking for fights. If the paradigm of "you have to grind and skill for a while before you go" can be broken, a good time will be had by everybody.

I realized last night I can fit a cyno but don't know how to use it. Gotta go back to school...

ok cool, i put something together!

If carebears want to do something. Buy a cloaky hauler some sbus and just fly around dropping them systems.

They (goons) have to fly all the way from fountain to kill them, then fly back again and you drop more its a big merry circle

Harry, I commend your enthusiasm and initiative and I offer to your cause all I have. My low skills and cruiser ships - which is all I can afford to by with my ISK.

Let me know how we can catch up in game!

Rear entry; best entry.

Thanks for the info - will do! See you later