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Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#21 - 2013-05-29 01:49:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Himnos Altar
www.eveeye.com

should have exactly the functionality you want, plus it gets you system metrics (minus jumps, obviously). It does cost a little bit of ISK. 50m/corp IIRC, but that's a drop in the bucket for Wspacers

and btw, according to this page:

http://wh-space.wiadvice.com/About.aspx

that project is discontinued as of 2 years ago.
Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#22 - 2013-05-29 05:36:37 UTC
We're only having 4 folders. Home sites, Static/external sites, wh's and tacticals.
All is mentioned on a spread sheet to those who has access on which is providing the mapping, exits, sigs, distances, corp/residents, etc. Usefull for them not having a special tool like siggy or other and it works

Just keep it all simple and use a general naming convention!

WH Cx->Cx sig ID
Lx/Gx/Rx/Mx are tags to signatures.

Then it's up to you to either bookmark it all or to drop probes when something is not in a anom.

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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#23 - 2013-05-29 11:27:30 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
DrBmN wrote:
Using IDs for bookmarking is not handy becouse of downtime reset, once you figure out this system its preety easy to navigate.


Now see this is where i feel the opposite. Having the sig ID's makes it easier to keep track of new and existing bookmarks.



Actually there are two sort of general rules that we use for finding the new exit quickly.

First is that the exit from our WH into the neighbours is always a sig-size 10. So just scan the whole system and throw away all the mag and radar sites (size 5) and you're left with a shorter list to scan.

Having a well skilled alt with a proper probing ship and some implants will allow you to resolve all the size 10 sigs at 4 au, so you should be able to scan an average wormhole in a couple of minutes. In fact, I would say on a good day you can scan the exit down faster then double checking which sigs are on your list and making a list of new ones. Some days, MUCH faster.

Second rule of thumb is that new spawns usually have different second and third letters of the sig name as compared to sigs that have been there a while. So if your exit has disappeared and you need to find the new one quickly then

1) throw away all the size 5 sigs, as i said,

and then

2) check the sig names of what's left. you'll see a list that looks like

AUX1234
FUX1234
GUX1234
HAB1234
QUX1234
ZUX1234

The one HAB with different 2nd and 3rd letters is USUALLY your new exit. Scan it first and you'll find that 9 times out of 10 you don't have to scan anything else.

Using those two simple guidelines and a good prober I can usualy find the static exit in literally a couple of minutes. After Odyssey it will only get easier with being able to launch all probes at once and having some preset patterns.


Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-05-29 12:02:34 UTC
A couple of thoughts for you. I'm assuming you are responding to my "like to have sig id in bookmark name".

Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Actually there are two sort of general rules that we use for finding the new exit quickly.

First is that the exit from our WH into the neighbours is always a sig-size 10. So just scan the whole system and throw away all the mag and radar sites (size 5) and you're left with a shorter list to scan.

Having a well skilled alt with a proper probing ship and some implants will allow you to resolve all the size 10 sigs at 4 au, so you should be able to scan an average wormhole in a couple of minutes. In fact, I would say on a good day you can scan the exit down faster then double checking which sigs are on your list and making a list of new ones. Some days, MUCH faster.


Yes of course that method can help, if you happen to live in a WH lucky enough to have its static in a special band. There are many statics (B274 U210 off the top of my head) that are in the same band as K162 and many ladar sites. So while you can still filter out some sigs, it is not nearly as efficient.

Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Second rule of thumb is that new spawns usually have different second and third letters of the sig name as compared to sigs that have been there a while. So if your exit has disappeared and you need to find the new one quickly then

1) throw away all the size 5 sigs, as i said,

and then

2) check the sig names of what's left. you'll see a list that looks like

AUX1234
FUX1234
GUX1234
HAB1234
QUX1234
ZUX1234

The one HAB with different 2nd and 3rd letters is USUALLY your new exit. Scan it first and you'll find that 9 times out of 10 you don't have to scan anything else.


Again, that may work for one new sig. But I've experienced a number of new sigs appearing throughout the day. And we have people coming in and out throughout the day. So say there are 5 new sigs when I log in. Without the sig ID in the bookmarks I don't know which of those bookmarks may correspond to a new sig until I at least put probes over them to verify.

Heck even with only one new sig, like what you show above. If someone already scanned HAB and bookmarked it, but you don't put HAB in the bookmark name, how do you know if that is the new HAB wormhole exit or the previous one without actually verifying with probes?

With our naming, I can at a glance see from my scan there are 5 new sigs, and that someone already scanned and bookmarked each one. My job is done.

Tinu Moorhsum wrote:

Using those two simple guidelines and a good prober I can usualy find the static exit in literally a couple of minutes. After Odyssey it will only get easier with being able to launch all probes at once and having some preset patterns.


Sure, but the point I was making is that by simply adding the 3 letter part of the ID I can easily verify that the exit has already been scanned which lets me find the exit even faster.
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-05-30 18:21:10 UTC
It is a bad idea to use sig names in your bookmarks, after DT the sig changes, after an emergency downtime also.
Besides it doesn't say where it goes or came from.

No local in null sec would fix everything!
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
#26 - 2013-05-30 18:34:51 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
...snip... [several critical points....}


Derath, I would agree that what I proposed isn't bullet-proof. it's not intended to be. But on the whole it *does* save time. That was the point.

You're right to point out that it won't work in every context... but the principles are worth putting out there.... in fact, I feel I should have charged for the service :)
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-05-30 18:57:40 UTC
unimatrix0030 wrote:
It is a bad idea to use sig names in your bookmarks, after DT the sig changes, after an emergency downtime also.
Besides it doesn't say where it goes or came from.


Like its bad to not put the sig ID in as part of the bookmark name?

If you put the location as Home > C5 and I come in 6 hours after you, do a scan and see a bunch of new sigs, how do I ever match up the sigs I see with the locations already saved?

I could warp to each one to verify it is still there. But thats tedious and a waste of time.

I could pop probes and do a 1au scan on top of each bookmartk. But that's tedious and a waste of time.

Or I could put GUA Home > C5 as the bookmark, and then bam there is GUA in my scan results, right click ignore, move on.

emergency or regular downtime? Fine, then I do a quick 1AU scan on the bookmarks, edit, update 3 letter ID.

Its only 3 letters, so it doesn't increase the location name by much. And if it helps my corpmates coming online after me to not have to rescan sigs to verify what they are, I'm happy to oblige.
Massey Don
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-06-20 21:21:45 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:

If you put the location as Home > C5 and I come in 6 hours after you, do a scan and see a bunch of new sigs, how do I ever match up the sigs I see with the locations already saved?


I know others have said this, but... siggy. If not that tool, another. Don't try to put too much smarts in book marks. If you're not space rich enough to afford Siggy given the time and effort it saves, then you're probably doing WHs wrong.
Bloody Wench
#29 - 2013-06-21 01:26:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
Frankly the best advice is RUN YOUR SITES, and despawn the ones you don't want.
It's very quick and easy to scan many pre-bookmarked sigs.
Periodically go through the BM Folders and delete anything a week or older that's WH related.
Be sure not to delete your Null Gate +200kms safe BMs


However if you MUST sit on sites, my naming convention goes such.

L DATE as a prefix to any Ladars, you just press the home key and put in the L and date, takes 2 seconds.
R DATE as a prefix to any Radars etc etc.
EG: R 21/06 Forgotten Relic Something


Sorts the BM menu by type basically

C2/3/4/5/6 OUT DATE
C1-3 INC DATE
C4-5 INC DATE
EOL suffix if it's nearly dead EG: C4-5 INC EOL 21/06
CRIT suffix if it's .... crit

A01
A02
A03
A04 etc for BMs inside the Anom
Put a space before A and it will move it closer to the top of the list.

I warp cloaked and BM a structure prior to running them, and will normally run in batches of 6+
These don't exist until I'm about to run them.


For neighbouring systems
NULL OUT EOL
(or INC if that's the case)
LO OUT CRIT
HI OUT
C2/3/4/5/6 BACK
C2/3/4/5/6 OUT
C2/3/4/5/6 OUT #2

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Bloody Wench
#30 - 2013-06-21 01:39:47 UTC
Move your Safes/Tact BMs to the top of the R/Click menu by adding a space or 2 or 3 to the front of the name.

Using space on the forums isnt working well replace - with spaces


|----My POS
|---Scan Here
|--Scan Here alt
|--Scan Here alt #2
|-200 Over POS
|-Etc etc etc
| Regular BMs 'n stuff
|zBMs you always want at the bottom for whatever reason.

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chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#31 - 2013-06-21 19:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: chris elliot
Man I just read this for the second time and felt suddenly very spoiled and lazy. I just follow siggy to whatever hole I want. Once I am there I decided "huh, I wish to go to the tribute exit aka Null B".

Right click in space

"hey whataya know a bookmark called "Null B(Tribute)" ".... And my thought process ends there as I hop out happily and go roaming or trolling.
Rammix
TheMurk
#32 - 2013-06-23 19:23:08 UTC
6-5
5-4
4-3
etc. No need to use letters.

If your paths tend be long and to branch, the following scheme can be used: create folders 0-n (usually 7 are more than enough) for levels of range. 0 is home system.
class.range(number if there are similar looking bms) st/162.
If static is not activated, you can add "NA" in the end.

For example, by folders:
0:
6-5.1 st
6-6.1 162
1:
6-6.0
5-6.0 162
5-2.2 st
5-2.2(2) Rndm
2:
2-5.1
2(2)-5.1
2-high.3 st
3:
high-2.2 162

Full route to highsec will look like "6-5.1-2.2-high.3", or just "6-5-2-high".

Number (like in 2(2)) should be used not only if there is similar connection in the same branch, but even if there are similar bookmark names in other branches - to make reading the whole path easy from anywhere.

In your home system there can be folders like "activated signatures", "anomalies" etc. To tell things apart they can be named like "Number (type) [additional optional notes] Name".

Also can be a good idea to use google spreadsheet to count your ship masses that pass through your static.

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Rammix
TheMurk
#33 - 2013-06-23 19:25:49 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
I just follow siggy to whatever hole I want.

My paranoia doesn't let me show my current paths to strangers. Even if that strangers are just online service providers.

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unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-24 10:54:50 UTC
Then use the free one ( https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=210073 ) on a server you set up, or make a google doc with the same functionality.

No local in null sec would fix everything!
chris elliot
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#35 - 2013-06-25 01:44:13 UTC
Rammix wrote:
chris elliot wrote:
I just follow siggy to whatever hole I want.

My paranoia doesn't let me show my current paths to strangers. Even if that strangers are just online service providers.


Yeah bro, no offense but using your method with multiple chains looking like this every day would make me commit suicide.
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