EVE General Discussion

If high sec income is so out of whack, then why do you goons even bother being in 0.0?

More than a year, still laughing at how people bring the second argument after basically undoing it with the first.

balance ogbs

have them unable to affect anything through a pos shield. so they cant just hide and be 100% safe

have them equally if not slightly easier to scan down. allow them to stay off grid but easier to find, perhaps impart a warp drive limitation on a ship with active link mods like limited cool off period before a warp can be initiated and reduced ship flight speed with active links (cant insta warp if found)

Since pretty much every argument against ogbs is relative to pvp, making them go on grid in pvp means theyre just going to be primaried off the field, whats the point? No one can deny it, thats why theres such an up in arms about how OP they are. But with some smart tweaks they can remain off the battlefield, but still vulnerable to a smart and prepared enemy.

Maybe it might make things slightly more enjoyable having small dedicated hunter groups chasing ogbs disrupting boosts affecting the main fleets as they go toe to toe in open war? sure sounds more fun and logical than "full fleet kill the x booster ok now back to the usual"

Gank... err gang links have been in the game for a long time. As a fleet booster alt I do not want to see them completely nerfed or removed. The problem all stems from the T3 5% per level and the hard to probe nature of them. If you bring the T3 bonus down to 2% per level it will not surpass the 3% per level the command ships get. That to me would be a very fair trade if OGB is really as hard to code to bring them on grid as people are making it out to be. 5% per level was broken from the start when they introduced command subs. It's like CCP doesn't understand the math they are putting into game, or T3 were only supposed to be able to carry 1 link and they forgot to nix the ability to fit command processors on a T3.

BC only get one link, unless they fit a CP, which greatly nerfs the CP dual link BC. T3 have no nerf because they can SR/SIG tank probes. Unless you are a max skill planted probe character you will not find the T3. I know because I am also a max skill probe alt. In all reality I should not exist. My skill sheet should not be the way it is and OGB is very bad for game play.

Home system advantage, get a probe alt, buy a OGB booster yourselves is not the answer to the problem.

BUT BUT BUT, small gang warfare will die without OGB..... Guess what, that fleet you can go 1 V 1000 with OGB, they have 10 OGB with them. It is not a defense anymore. The time has come for CCP to just straight up nerf the T3 command processor subs. They were talking about it a long time ago. Why it hasn't happened yet I don't know. They will not lose millions of subs and they will survive the ax of the OGB/T3 nerf.

By now you have probably seen my hilarious damnation losses and are thinking to yourselves, noob. Yes, I am, but I put my **** on the line like everyone else should have to as well. Plus, it is actually hard to 6 box PvP. Sleepers, yeah they easy. Real people, drunk against them with ISBoxer is hard. But I digress. Nerf the command sub CCP, you are our only hope.

what kind of dogshite logic is it to even propose allowing OGB for mining but not for combat?

Honestly its another Dynamic of the game there are ups and downs

1. thews that wine that its not good to have off grid boosting is because they are the ones loosing there ships crying because they were not the ones paying attention and did stupid things

2 if were going to change the off grid for combat Let the on-grid booster be Cloak able there is no reason otherwise to change from what we currently have it works and as the old saying goes Don't Fix what is not broken


as the comment that a fully trained booster to the max gives as much as 2 officer Mods (what crack are you smoking )
the Boosts only Give a % of what you have so Yes you are correct if you have like 3 officer mods on your ship then yes its like having 1-2 more but that's why some one payed over 10 billion of isk and 2-3 months of there time training the booster and spending the 4-800M isk to keep the alt Up to par with the others out there

I agree with this.
But, this is EVE. It's not fair, and attempting to make it fair is just bad.
So you have a smaller force? Make allies. Run bomber fleets. Don't play into the enemies plan - stand down or avoid the fight. You have options, and asking CCP to change the game so you can "win" shouldn't be one of them.

Yes, I'm training to be a command ship pilot and I look forward to risking my ass..ets on the field with the rest of my fleet.

I, uh, think he was being ironic or something.

Also, people can probe out the rorq during it's 5 minute long cycle, grid-fu or not. They obviously won't just warp to the belt at 0 and expect to find it there, they'll warp straight to it at 0.

T3 frigates with excessive command boosts.

I agree we should keep OGB. Admit I haven't read the rest of the thread but I have an opinion I haven't seen voiced in previous similar threads.

OFF Grid Boosting is a balancing component of a general boosting scheme. The other is the current ON Grid Boosting. The conversation should center around balance rather than elimination.

Off grid boosts are mostly defensive in character. The possible exception being Skirmish for its boosts in Offense. But even Skirmish has many defensive aspects such as reduced target radii and kiting abilities which end up as defensive.

On grid we already have a system. Most are offensive in nature. These are readily deployed with cheap disposable boats of the ECM and Logistical Varieties. ON Grid we have a dual balance of defensive and offensive with things like tracking links and remote sensor boosters balancing tracking disruptors and ecm or damps for instance.

The balance instead of teetering on a balance like a seesaw is more complex. It has to form a stable triangular base to keep one from over-tipping. It has to hold position almost like a gyroscope can remain static in unnatural positions.

Our on grid boosts are very cheap both skill wise and isk wise. Our offgrids are very expensive in those manners also. They also take complimentary skills, one being strategic and another piloting. THere is a lot of balance already in place, IT does not need destroyed but there is some room for tuning. I also see some room for adding to it on the OFF GRID side with some more offensive boosts besides skirmish and targeting speed

What are the current ON grid counters to the Off Grid system? Are they complete and balanced? and in what ways? Most important, What would a winning/successful boosting system look like when it was done?