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Smoking guns <3
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SoOza N'GasZ
L F C
Ethereal Dawn
#1 - 2013-06-23 22:52:55 UTC
PLEASE CCP make guns leave small smoke trails when they have stopped firing and ships are still moving.... considering the physics present in a vacuum of course.

Legba
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-06-23 23:57:37 UTC
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
PLEASE CCP make guns leave small smoke trails when they have stopped firing and ships are still moving.... considering the physics present in a vacuum of course.

Actually, according to 0G physics in frictionless medium (aka vacuum) ships moving would not leave smoke trails, simply because there are no air to make the smoke stop. Well, unless the ship's accelerating. If ship's stationary or moving at constant speed (which, really, is the same) all you'll get from a gun fired in space is a small puff of smoke which would dissipate fairly rapidly due to lack of medium to slow the smoke particles down.

tl;dr: smoke in space from guns is a waste of developer resources ^^

p.s. also only artillery/autocannons would generate it, and even then it's entirely possible to operate on a smokeless propellant.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#3 - 2013-06-24 00:08:47 UTC
Minmatar pilot confirming that projectile weapons generate smoke clouds - especially artillery.
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-24 02:03:57 UTC
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
p.s. also only artillery/autocannons would generate it, and even then it's entirely possible to operate on a smokeless propellant.


Not necessarily. Lasers could interact with particles along the path of the beam to vaporize them, and hybrid ammo could leave residue in the barrel that gets partially vaporized in the next firing. Blink
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#5 - 2013-06-24 05:33:13 UTC
I can also confirm that at least with some beam laser weapons, the end of the barrel heats up during firing and glows briefly between cycles.
SoOza N'GasZ
L F C
Ethereal Dawn
#6 - 2013-06-24 15:49:34 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I can also confirm that at least with some beam laser weapons, the end of the barrel heats up during firing and glows briefly between cycles.



uuuuh hybrids?

Legba
Eija-Riitta Veitonen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-06-24 18:59:03 UTC
Shereza wrote:
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
p.s. also only artillery/autocannons would generate it, and even then it's entirely possible to operate on a smokeless propellant.


Not necessarily. Lasers could interact with particles along the path of the beam to vaporize them, and hybrid ammo could leave residue in the barrel that gets partially vaporized in the next firing. Blink

Technically there's not enough particle density in vacuum to make the beam itself VISIBLe, let alone leave smoke particle trails ^^ And if the particle density was high enough that would create all sorts of bad things to the spaceships so smoke trails would be the least of your problems.
ExAstra
Echoes of Silence
#8 - 2013-06-24 19:43:04 UTC
Disregard physics, acquire cool particle effects

Save the drones!
Ranamar
Nobody in Local
Deepwater Hooligans
#9 - 2013-06-24 19:49:06 UTC
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
I can also confirm that at least with some beam laser weapons, the end of the barrel heats up during firing and glows briefly between cycles.



uuuuh hybrids?


No smoke; they're particle accelerators. Blink
I haven't looked closely, but they might heat up sort of like lasers...
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-06-24 23:40:55 UTC
Eija-Riitta Veitonen wrote:
Technically there's not enough particle density in vacuum to make the beam itself VISIBLe, let alone leave smoke particle trails ^^ And if the particle density was high enough that would create all sorts of bad things to the spaceships so smoke trails would be the least of your problems.


After enough explosions, mining, or other activity there'll be quite a few things floating around to cross the path of the beam in some situations. That ignores areas that are in stellar clouds of some sort or another as well. Of course it also ignores the fact that if you were in such a high particle density region of space it would reduce, potentially significantly, the effectiveness of your lasers too.

All things considered, however, lasers probably should have a "smoke" trail as they function more like streaming plasma cannons than true lasers. True lasers should likely wouldn't pack enough energetic particles to have a significant EM component compared to plasma-based weapons. The residue of cooling plasma that escaped whatever keeps the beam coherent would potentially give off a smoke trail like effect which would be totally independent from local particle density.