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Republic citizens, let's talk about the Federation

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Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-06-24 15:07:13 UTC
How long has it been, now, that we Matari, we Minmatar, have been forced - both by circumstance and by our own ineffectual leadership - to sit quietly and swallow the condescension, the arrogance, the self-entitled attitude, the sheer hubris of the Gallente Federation? How much longer can they reasonably expect for us to do so?

It is undeniable that their help in establishing recognition for our free government amongst the other powers in the cluster was indespensible, yes; for that, we did indeed owe them a debt. But that debt has been paid, over and over again. Hell, I myself remember quite vividly all of the times that I led pilots of Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics into battle alongside other TLF auxiliaries and Gallente Militia forces to help them turn the tide against a Caldari Militia that seemed unstoppable and had at one point even occupied every contested system in their warzone. These Gallentean chest beaters don't like talking about those days, though, I'm sure.

And that's only one example. That's to say nothing of the Republic's unsung efforts to quell the ever-ambitious attempts at growth and expansion from the Angel Cartel while also having to deal with a steadily increasing Serpentis presence in Minmatar space. That's to say nothing of our diplomatic efforts with the slave-trade supporting Caldari State to help keep that particular pot from boiling over...

These arrogant dogs love spouting on so about how powerful their military is, as if it were the primary juggernaut of New Eden, as though should they but turn an eye for conquest upon any other sovereign power the outcome should be a foregone conclusion. They seem to love nothing more, even, than expressing doubts about our own military strength.

Of course, I say 'our own' as a Matari - my Republic citizenship was revoked years ago.

Still, it sickens me to see a people who were only our allies because it was convenient and beneficial for them to see a stable and friendly power on their opposite border from the State, a power to whom they could point when telling the Caldari, "and look, we're not alone either, now," to help dissuade the megacorporations from deciding upon open conflict again... it sickens me to see these people who have continued to need us just as much as we once needed them behave so heavy-handedly toward Us.

Since the beginning, all they have done is tell us what we should or shouldn't do, and politicians like Midular would nod meekly and enact the policies dictated to them by the Federation. The Gallente have dealt with carte blanche in the Republic for much, much longer than we ever should have tolerated. We are not a people suited to Republics and Democracies. We are a people of Tribal customs - Tribal faith, Tribal power distribution, Tribal justice.

They thought they knew who we were when they 'befriended' us. They thought we were weak - after all, we'd allowed ourselves to become enslaved to begin with. They thought we were simple-minded and primitive - our earliest starships being built on outdated tech and jury-rigged to fly. They thought we would be an easily-controlled puppet state, like Intaki. They think we can be spoken down to, chastised as though we were children rather than Matari warriors!

I think they were wrong. I think in my heart of hearts that Shakor will not stand for it any longer.

I think that when they condemn the Republic for its incursion at Colelie they would be better served to remember what we're often reminding the slaver of: We will come for ours. They would be better served to remember that we were a warlike people before we were a spacefaring people.


They say, "Let's see how they like it when they don't have us to support them anymore."

I say, "Let's see how the Federation likes it when they don't have us to kick around anymore."

What do you say, Blood of Pator? I want to hear your view of the Gallente and their pets - the Jin-Mei, the Intaki, and the nearly traitorous Federation citizens who share an ancestry with Us. Can we yet trust them? Have they tipped their hand a touch too far and revealed an insidious and manipulative enemy in disguise? Let's talk about the Federation.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#2 - 2013-06-24 15:33:31 UTC
While we may be unhappy about yet another Matari bashing thread on the IGS, I think it's important to gain some distance from the events of Colelie, remain calm and rationally evaluate the relationship. There's plenty of blame on both sides to go around. If our respective governments held high level discussions and worked out a mutually agreeable compromise, none of this mess would have happened.

I feel that the wounds are still a bit too fresh and passions still a bit too high for us to realistically sit together and discuss our grievances. Let more time pass. In the meantime, we shouldn't engage in the inflamed rhetoric, finger pointing and demagoguery that we see coming from some quarters. We're better than that.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-24 15:42:11 UTC
Such an attractive Anabella skin you wear, usurper.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-06-24 15:51:14 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
...mutually agreeable compromise...

Ah, Electus Matari... always fans of compromise, you lot have been.

I hated Midular, with a violently burning passion, and would have killed her for her crimes against our People myself, given the opportunity to do so. And I would've forfeited my life to the Sebiestor Tribal leadership afterward, for certain.

But for an outsider to kill the Ray of Matar, let alone an average Minmatar... no, Pilot Rella. There can be no 'compromise' there. We've compromised, as a People first and the Republic as a nation second, for too long on too many issues already. Blood was owed, and blood was paid.

Of course, I expected views from your quarter to be contrary to my own. I remain interested in seeing what the prevailing sentiment amongst Matari capsuleers is, not to mention sentiment among baseline Minmatar, who are after all the ones that any influence we might exert will truly effect.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#5 - 2013-06-24 16:39:49 UTC
Havohej wrote:

I hated Midular, with a violently burning passion, and would have killed her for her crimes against our People myself, given the opportunity to do so. And I would've forfeited my life to the Sebiestor Tribal leadership afterward, for certain.


I'm happy to see we Gallente do not have a monopoly on shameless traitors who are, oddly, fond of grand displays of patriotism.
Derin Phobos
Kinetic Technologies
#6 - 2013-06-24 17:06:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Derin Phobos
Anabella Rella wrote:
There's plenty of blame on both sides to go around.


While I agree that talk of the dissolution of the Republic-Federation alliance is premature, I do think this sort of attitude from the Republic is not going to help matters, no matter the amount of time that passes.

The simple fact of the matter is, the Republic erred.

Extradition is a divisive topic at the best of times, and perhaps the Federation can be accused of being too brusque with their allies. That being said, responding to such with a full-scale dreadnought incursion that claims thousands of lives on both sides is not a rational or measured response. Attempting to rationalize such action in any way, shape, or form is a detriment to the end goal of repairing damaged relations between the two nations, especially in light of the Federation's decision to extradite the man after he went through their due process.

In short, the Republic's actions have placed it in a political weak spot. Expressing not just regret, but remorse for these actions is what is needed to convince the Republic's troubled allies that they will not simply invade whenever they are angered by some event. The only other option is to hope that the Federation leadership is too timid to enact sanctions, which is certainly possible, but quite a risk for saving a little face.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#7 - 2013-06-24 17:08:41 UTC
Andrea Okazon wrote:
Havohej wrote:

I hated Midular, with a violently burning passion, and would have killed her for her crimes against our People myself, given the opportunity to do so. And I would've forfeited my life to the Sebiestor Tribal leadership afterward, for certain.


I'm happy to see we Gallente do not have a monopoly on shameless traitors who are, oddly, fond of grand displays of patriotism.


Oh, there are plenty of those to go around.

Havohej are being tasteful, as always.

He was never missed. But then, I'm sure I was not either.

And with that out of the way (I am simply happy to see others have noted this trend as well) I will leave this tread for the Matari henceforth. I apologize for the brief disturbance.
Anslo
Scope Works
#8 - 2013-06-24 17:17:06 UTC
Quote:
Wewill come for ours.

But he wasn't yours.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-06-24 18:14:53 UTC
While I recognize the inherent hypocrisy in a Gallente posting here to ask other Gallente to not post here, I would like to urge all of us Gallenteans to not post here. Pilot Havohej created this discussion for Republic citizens, after all. Especially in light of the fact that the Republicans have stayed out of our sister discussion.

If you want to debate this with Republicans, the "New Topic" button is easy enough to find.

Bio and writing

(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated)

Anslo
Scope Works
#10 - 2013-06-24 18:22:17 UTC
I don't have anything to say in your thread. I'm correcting the OP. Also the Federal one makes me roll my eyes a bit to be honest....this one does too actually.

In fact, all you people make my eyes roll more than a happy furrier rolling down a field of grass into a patch of fruit.

I wash my hands of this sordid affair in favor of fruit patch rolling.

GOOD DAY.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-06-24 18:22:53 UTC
Look at the judgement, here, Matari. Look at the attempts at ridicule and shame.

Have you all nothing to say of these... I hesitate to call them people, even!

I mustn't be the only one fed up with the Federalists and their nonsense. Or do you all tend to agree with Electus Matari's traditionally pacifist view?

*shakes his head in disgust as he slams his palm down on the Transmit button.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#12 - 2013-06-24 18:25:17 UTC
Jeesh, someone doesn't like fruit...

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Pax Thar
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-06-24 18:49:40 UTC
True Matari are not dictated to, nor do they care about the words of politicians. Let the talkers talk, warriors on both sides know the value of the other. Ill fight alongside the Gallente so long as they are a friend and ally in action. If the day comes that they prove themselves otherwise, they will be treated as such.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-06-24 19:13:42 UTC
Pax Thar wrote:
... ally...



Is that what they are telling you these days?

At least our chains were visible.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-06-24 21:38:30 UTC
Pax Thar wrote:
True Matari are not dictated to, nor do they care about the words of politicians. Let the talkers talk, warriors on both sides know the value of the other. Ill fight alongside the Gallente so long as they are a friend and ally in action. If the day comes that they prove themselves otherwise, they will be treated as such.

You speak from a place firmly grounded in the roots and spirit of our People, that much is clear and respected.

But brother, as much as I hate to say so I think the Amarrian pilot, Vitalia, has the right of the Federation. They've tried to bind us without chains, and for long have succeeded... are they not still trying? Are they not gnashing their teeth in anger and frustration that we have begun to come into our own, to rise up and stand on our own feet?

As allies in action, they have always been valuable. But oh, at what cost...

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#16 - 2013-06-24 22:52:42 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
We're better than that.


Ms. Rella advocating for a peaceful solution. That's a new. Then again, at least the hypocrisy is still firm there.
I'm kind of disappointed, I'd expect you'd be the first one to defect to Mr. Havohej's terrorist option and cause there.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#17 - 2013-06-25 03:49:12 UTC
I love seeing the savages frothing at the mouth while spouting their delusions of superiority to everyone. By all means, continue.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Derin Phobos
Kinetic Technologies
#18 - 2013-06-25 04:13:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Derin Phobos
Pax Thar wrote:
True Matari are not dictated to, nor do they care about the words of politicians. Let the talkers talk, warriors on both sides know the value of the other. Ill fight alongside the Gallente so long as they are a friend and ally in action. If the day comes that they prove themselves otherwise, they will be treated as such.


I would imagine that Federation soldiers would have said much the same thing in their own words, not too long ago.

Then you invaded their space and set fire to their fleets.

Do you not understand how this can cause ill will? How would you react had the Federation done this to the Republic? How would you have seen such an action? The day has already come where your Republic has proven themselves other than a "friend and ally in action." Are you willing to let this dishonor slide, simply because it was perpetrated by your own? That would display a rather magnificent double standard, one that makes you increasingly less valuable as allies.

I am beginning to reconsider my business portfolio in the Republic. Many of my associates are making quite a profit shorting Republic corporate stock. I had thought to take the long view, but that view is becoming less and less bullish.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#19 - 2013-06-25 04:42:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Silas Vitalia
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
I love seeing the savages frothing at the mouth while spouting their delusions of superiority to everyone. By all means, continue.


Well? Go on, continue.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-06-25 07:51:49 UTC
This one loves it best when the IGS doubles up as a Zoo for her entertainment. I wonder, do they allow petting?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

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