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Getting tired of micro patches

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Scrindle Kavees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-06-24 15:50:09 UTC
I quite like the launcher. Quick click or password change to switch character/load new account.

Go CCP!
DreznicK
OORt Cloud Research
The OORT Cloud
#22 - 2013-06-24 16:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DreznicK
KUDOS to CCP for updating the game.

I will take a micro patch any day of the week.
It only takes a few seconds a minute on the outside to update.
Excellent time to grab a drink before settling down.

Now I could see people getting tired of it if you had lots of accounts or where someone was doing log on games.
Yeh that could be pain, so sorry.


But I would rather have a bug fixed then sit out there for a week or 2 and then have a large patch.
JD No7
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#23 - 2013-06-24 16:08:05 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
Tixam Quri wrote:
My launcher loads each new patch before I can finish typing my PW...

I don't see a problem here.


You wouldn't if you had really nice internet. For people who don't live in a developed (lol) area, like the US, dialup is still an option ;) taking 3 hours to download 35mb is kind of painful on my gameplay.


How the hell do you play EVE on dialup? I'm guessing you dont PVP...
destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Looking for Trouble
#24 - 2013-06-24 16:15:32 UTC
CCP Atropos wrote:
Ticondrius wrote:
Getting really tired of these little 6MB micro patches for the launcher that I'm not even using. Can you NOT increment the entire game's version every time you tweak an image in the damned launcher?? I'm happy running from exefile.exe, and NEVER want to see the launcher.

You're only seeing "micro patches" because you're running from ExeFile.exe. Your client starts up and finds out it's out of date, and starts the EVE Launcher to patch; the only way to connect to Tranquility is with an up-to-date client.


i always run from your launcher, and i get micro patches all the time. and most times i get an error from it.
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#25 - 2013-06-24 16:20:11 UTC
BoBoZoBo wrote:
Really - You are asking the DEVs to stop fixing the game.
You people are never fu@king happy.

+1
CCP Atropos
C C P
C C P Alliance
#26 - 2013-06-24 16:34:17 UTC
destiny2 wrote:
CCP Atropos wrote:
Ticondrius wrote:
Getting really tired of these little 6MB micro patches for the launcher that I'm not even using. Can you NOT increment the entire game's version every time you tweak an image in the damned launcher?? I'm happy running from exefile.exe, and NEVER want to see the launcher.

You're only seeing "micro patches" because you're running from ExeFile.exe. Your client starts up and finds out it's out of date, and starts the EVE Launcher to patch; the only way to connect to Tranquility is with an up-to-date client.


i always run from your launcher, and i get micro patches all the time. and most times i get an error from it.

If you could give me the logs, I might be able to fix that for you.
Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#27 - 2013-06-24 17:08:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Revman Zim
The launcher is doing what it was designed to do. Install patches and lauch the client.

As compared to 2008 when I started playing, the current launcher/patch/client is much more stable and CCP in particular has been able to respond to bug fixes much quicker.

On the whole an improvement.

Players have short memories. And NEW players have no idea how far this game has come. Gone are the days of the DT lasting 45 minutes to an hour.. EVERY NIGHT. Now they are less than 15 minutes usually. Cumulatively, that amounts to a lot more online time now as compared to years ago. Yes, there is the occasional issue that is unplanned. BUT, CCP has been very responsive to these issues.

As for the OP's connection speed... that is on YOU. CCP cannot design this game to the lowest connection speed on the planet. Move out of the fricken Borneo jungle and get some bandwidth.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-06-24 17:26:46 UTC
'I demand CCP to fix all problems! But no patches, that's lame!'

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#29 - 2013-06-24 17:43:09 UTC
And here I thought fixing minor game issues as quickly as possible was a GOOD thing... how silly of me. Roll

The patches have been fixing game issues, not launcher issues my friend.

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Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-06-24 19:38:33 UTC
CCP was able to patch the client without that launcher iirc.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-06-24 20:08:02 UTC
Maybelater Headache wrote:
CCP was able to patch the client without that launcher iirc.


Yes they were, and the patching process was buggy, crashed, and corrupted clients for lost of players multiple times. The launcher makes that process a lot less painful for most people, resulting in more time spent playing and less time spent downloading the client -- again.

Just because something works doesn't mean it's optimal.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#32 - 2013-06-24 20:10:18 UTC
Maybelater Headache wrote:
CCP was able to patch the client without that launcher iirc.


If you were like me, though, the patches failed about 25% of the time and I had to reinstall at least two separate clients once a month or so.

I understand that not everyone see's how this launcher is a godsend. But I'm dancing a ******* jig over here.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-06-24 20:21:26 UTC
I´ve never experienced these issues. Anyway, the launcher doesn´t seem to work perfectly considering the complaints one can find in the forums. Hopefully this will be fixed sooner or later.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-06-24 20:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Maybelater Headache wrote:
I´ve never experienced these issues. Anyway, the launcher doesn´t seem to work perfectly considering the complaints one can find in the forums. Hopefully this will be fixed sooner or later.


Making a piece of software work perfectly is a technological impossibility unless the developer can also control the hardware, down to the part numbers, as well as the tech refreshes of the client, and can therefore optimize for one specific hardware configuration.

Even then, you're at the mercy of the internet.


The launcher provides greater patch flexibility and lower mean downtime for clients during the patching process. As that was it's intended purpose, I call it a success.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-06-24 20:45:14 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:

Making a piece of software work perfectly is a technological impossibility unless the developer can also control the hardware, down to the part numbers, as well as the tech refreshes of the client, and can therefore optimize for one specific hardware configuration.

Even then, you're at the mercy of the internet.


The launcher provides greater patch flexibility and lower mean downtime for clients during the patching process. As that was it's intended purpose, I call it a success.


I didn´t talk about perfection as far as i can remember, but thanks for the lecture. My personal experience is the patching process does last significantly longer than before. I probably have to accept this is not of any relevance because i am not a programmer, though. Bear
Revman Zim
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2013-06-24 20:46:29 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Maybelater Headache wrote:
I´ve never experienced these issues. Anyway, the launcher doesn´t seem to work perfectly considering the complaints one can find in the forums. Hopefully this will be fixed sooner or later.


Making a piece of software work perfectly is a technological impossibility unless the developer can also control the hardware, down to the part numbers, as well as the tech refreshes of the client, and can therefore optimize for one specific hardware configuration.

Even then, you're at the mercy of the internet.


The launcher provides greater patch flexibility and lower mean downtime for clients during the patching process. As that was it's intended purpose, I call it a success.



^^ SPOT ON.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#37 - 2013-06-24 21:11:39 UTC
+1 to quick fixes.

I'll take the very minor inconvenience of small, frequent updates over living with a bug for months until CCP's next big release.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Ruze
Next Stage Initiative
#38 - 2013-06-24 21:20:39 UTC
Maybelater Headache wrote:
De'Veldrin wrote:

Making a piece of software work perfectly is a technological impossibility unless the developer can also control the hardware, down to the part numbers, as well as the tech refreshes of the client, and can therefore optimize for one specific hardware configuration.

Even then, you're at the mercy of the internet.


The launcher provides greater patch flexibility and lower mean downtime for clients during the patching process. As that was it's intended purpose, I call it a success.


I didn´t talk about perfection as far as i can remember, but thanks for the lecture. My personal experience is the patching process does last significantly longer than before. I probably have to accept this is not of any relevance because i am not a programmer, though. Bear


So far, the complaints I've heard have been about wanting the old themed login screens to return, and frustration due to the issue with trying to launch multiple accounts/clients/windows (which I had issues with before, which is why I have multiple guaranteed clients, and which I've solved by having multiple guaranteed clients that must use separate launchers).

Now, there ARE more updates then there once were. But I think that's just CCP using the more streamlined process to it's fullest.

If you're driven to threaten others with harm or violence because of what they do in game, you can't separate fantasy from reality. That "griefer/thief" is probably more sane than you are. How screwed up is that?
QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
#39 - 2013-06-24 21:35:29 UTC
I'm glad they are getting the bugs worked out, but they should have done that on the test server before they rolled out the expansion.

10 patches in 20 days since the Odyssey update? That's a bit much.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-06-24 21:42:48 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
Tixam Quri wrote:
My launcher loads each new patch before I can finish typing my PW...

I don't see a problem here.


You wouldn't if you had really nice internet. For people who don't live in a developed (lol) area, like the US, dialup is still an option ;) taking 3 hours to download 35mb is kind of painful on my gameplay.


Online games are a pain in the ass on 56k. News at 11.
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