EVE General Discussion

It seems that Eve is heading down the road of becoming compartmentalized. Pvp and pve players are moving in diferent directions and this seems a necessary shift on CCP's part. It really is all about the money and CCP accounts receivables necessarily have a growing voice in the direction of the game. They know who pays the bills and holds their future and they don't like it anymore than you do. Isk might rule Eve but cash rules CCP.

Pvp players will be eventually pushed out of empire with their lawless ways and a division will grow between the play styles.
I never thought I would see another Berlin wall.. least of all in a game world.

I see the pvp going back to low and null and pve people will have less exposure to the pvp they choose not to play.. or pay for.

Eve will continue to be a cold hard place.. only not in empire.. Ganks will be very costly on both sides and scams will become an artform.

This is coming.. it has already begun.. it will continue.. it is the way of it if you only look.

It had to happen sooner or later and to whom goes the credit for it turning out this way?

Those who can not adapt or accept that they are being shown the door will leave. They will make room for the hordes of people who will take their place toasting weenies around campfires and telling scary stories about null and low and back in the day.

It will be a time for tears and celebrations.. just depends on which side you are on but money always wins in the end.

I would pity all of you if I cared more.

I made some comments on this issue already during this post

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=30270


Now lets really approach this like mature adults instead of consistently debating what is fair and what isnt.. Now most of these postings are very true when it comes to the "adaption" one poster was dead on... "Adapt or die" this is the way with all games and life... if you dont like how something is changed than you bring it to CCP but dont shoot the people who are trying to enjoy this game without involvement in PVP. I mean if you take a look at my postings in the link above I provide both perspectives and I think i address them just fine, however some may disagree... Its human nature we wont all get along and its not a hug and kiss fest, sure back in 2006 things were ALOT different.... I'll admit I left EVE after finding the cruelty too much to bear around here but now that the changes have taken place to make EVE more PvE friendly... Its become a more enjoyable experience for me, and though I may not agree with being brutally agressive, I do know that you will have to learn to defend yourself in some fashion during the course of your existence here.

How are we really going to turn this concept into something with beneficial motiavtion that will help make the adjustments easier, I mean there are going to be alot of people who "hate" or "loathe" what I say and how I percieve New Eden but lets face it everything will change based on the "demands" nothing can change the course we are going in unless there is an influx of millions who beg for more PVP... Since there isnt that substancial number CCP is doing what they can to help bring more people into New Eden without having to have people consistently bang their heads on the desk wondering how they are going to survive or even deal with the trainings and concepts needed. The tutorials and everything has changed dramatically there used to not be tutorials on how to use things and EVE used to be a very "huge" learning curve... but now its become more digestable... and in doing so they are bringing fresh blood for you hardcore PVP players sure they are making it harder for you to play "cat and mouse" with your victims but honestly i think CCP sees the PVP community as being cyberbullies in a way and they are trying to protect the interests of all involved so that they dont get sued or provide content that is only based on a specific genre of player...

Would you rather 35,000 PVP players and thats it or would you like to see more people joining and adding diversity to a game that has existed for years and is consistently trying to change to help create a more stable enviornment. I refuse to believe that behind these monitors that people can be that heartless to say PVP is the be all end all of EVE... Its a game people not a religion this isnt scientology or atheism or anything inbetween the sooner you guys realize that this is a sandbox MMORPG that includes "everyone" and avoid those who you butt heads with and just do what you want to do and not care what others think then the better... these postings are getting old... If you dont like the changes... get in your ship and leave... go back to reality and then talk about pain.... Life is a struggle in itself we come here to enjoy ourselves however WE want it to be, and no one can tell us otherwise...

Sorry guys, but facts are facts... nothing will ever change that.

Sorry, but 35000 PvP players would be awesome*. Instead of 5k PvP players, their 20k alts (most carebear alts), 5k reasonable carebears, and the rest being twits who post continual crap on the forums and whine continually.

Personal opinion of course.

*As an industrialist, I would love this much PvP.

IMO you don't measure how "nerfed" a game is by how hard it is for starting players to get started in the game. To me, a nerfed game is one where high level, high reward, play that is engaged in by experienced players doesn't really require much more skill and knowledge than the low level, low reward play engaged in by new players. The goal should be to have a pretty learning steep curve where the highest reward activities in the game requires radically more capability than the lowest reward activities. To measure how nerfed a game is, you need to look at how tough the end game is, not how tough the entry level is.

I think that distinction gets lost in a lot of discussions on here.

Yeah - what about this no High Sec Wardecs? I don't believe it.
In other terms, I think the kick from corp - die to concord mid gank is a great change.
IMO joining someones corp, and then ganking them is about as low as you can go. And bitching that they call the police on you is pathetic in the extreme. Good trusting people should not be punished because you are quite frankly scum.
Don't get me wrong, gank, pirate, whatever. But baldface lying really pisses me off.

No insurance after ganking makes perfect sense. Killing iceminers out of spite with a disco phoon will no longer be worthwhile. Maybe you'll have to search for targets a little better.

They seem to be making it harder for ganking. Harder for people one shooting battleships in a titan.

All of the changes are balanced around pvp. Just because the changes make YOUR life harder does not mean they are making it easier for carebears.

making a double tempest high sec gank cost a whole 20-40 mil more expensive will not make people stop ganking.

Hurting capital ships so smaller classes of ships can serve a role in pvp, is a chance directed right at pvp players. People do not want capital ships online. The hardcore PvP playerbase has been yell from the rooftops about this for years.


i haven't hear anything about not being able to wardec.

just grow up and be a man. Sorry if CCP is making you grow a pair, and the game too "hardcore" for you. You want a free pass, free war dec, free suicide gank mmo, play another game eve is for the hardcore.

Citation needed.

Read and learn.

Try to keep up.

Wardecs, already a weak an ineffective tool vs individuals, is now worthless. Why spend the 50-100-200M ISK when it is wiped immediately via alliance hopping?

Or more more fun: Wardec a POS, have hours of fun getting it into Reinforced with sub-cap assets, then get the dec wiped before it comes out of reinforcement.

You can declare war, but the war can be unilaterally ended at anytime for no cost, before or after corp assets are threatened, making them a waste of money.

Understand now?

I tried to make my post as sarcastic as I could.

I completely agree with you.

You know what is even easier than ganking a Hulk??
AVOIDING a high-sec gank in a Hulk. (hint, its called a DC II - or simply staying aligned and alert)

Do you know what is EVEN easier than avoiding a highsec gank?
Bootstomping some poor **** 5 to 1 in lowsec, sending them back to highsec and then bragging about it.

Also: I've spent many, many long hours in low-sec looking for Hulks. Sadly, I found none. Maybe you know where they are hiding, smart guy?