Warfare & Tactics

About a week ago I entered a PLEX with a Merlin and my alt in a Bantam. Inside we find a hostile and a friendly in a Dramiel. In militia fashion I work with the Dramiel Pilot in order to dispatch the Gallente scum, providing shield reps and successfully killing the target.

After the moment passes I am typing to the Dram Pilot in local about - the kill asking if he had gotten the mail. My eyes peer over at my second screen, at which point I notice he has my Bantam Pilot (Who is in Faction Warfare as well) in structure and about to pop. The Bantam explodes in firey death.

Jumping to conclusions I assume he is an AWOXER (Poor decision on my part) engage the Dramiel Pilot and wax him. Later I find out he was in the Corps teamspeak channel at which point we both mutually chew each other out, call each other tossers and apologize for the actions on each others parts. I send the reasonable fellow 60 mil for the loss and we both get on with our lives - understanding that we both mutually screwed up, him by engaging the Bantam and myself acting without first attempting to discuss the situation with him.

But here is my question - Why is it that once he engaged my Bantam, that I lost standing for engaging and killing him? If he had initiated a hostile action first against a fellow militia mate - accidental or not. Why is it that those individuals defending themselves must suffer a standing penalty in order to do so? AWOXING has become one sided enough as it is, but this seems like a one sided mechanic. Joining FW I understand "HTFU", constantly losing security status for shooting neutrals in PLEXES that are clearly there to smash my face. But standing is a royal pain in the arse to get up.

Assuming I there isn't something I missed in this situation... some ideas -

My Suggestions -
1. If someone engages a friendly, whether accidental or on purpose - they receive a temporary status allowing them to be engaged without repercussions (Similar to suspect timer)

2. "Tag" individuals such as Adolf who have frequently engaged in AWOXING, making them an open target to either all militias or the militia being attacked. This only appears after a certain amount of "Awoxing" has been done (to be determined by devs). This tag would follow the individual regardless of corp, acting as a 24/7 kill right (Similar to that of pirate status). May only apply if the individual is in a FW corp. After a month or two it will disappear unless renewed by more AWOXING.

3. Provide militia mates the ability to "Forgive" an action taken against them - renewing faction loss but not security status. Yes, this is EvE and EvE has consequences. After training multiple rookies whether in corp or not, it is amazing how many people accidentally shoot logi due to auto targeting back. As well as the fact that many noobies may not have their overviews set correctly, firing on experienced players with which they assume are hostile until they are told to cease and desist.

Some Unrelated Things

4. Timer Roll Backs - Common FW complaint.

5. Suspect timer for Neutrals (Even FW bunnies too if you want) upon entering a PLEX. The fact is, any Neutral going to a gate is often going there for one hostile action or another. Although I do pirate once in a while, I've lost majority of my status from shooting neutrals who are trying to kill me inside a PLEX. I would assume that FW pilots would be considered privateers at least within these areas. When flying a kiting ship I have lost 2.0 of security status engaging an entire neutral fleet within a PLEX.

-----// End Rant // -----// Proceed to gather your buckets in which to collect my tears//

Regardless of whether anything is changed, I'll live. But it truly seems like these are broken mechanics in my opinion, and although EvE is meant to be unforgiving - these are practical things I believe should be applied.

Whilst I agree with points 2 and 3, I think point 1 would only encourage Awoxing.

At least permanent consequences deter actual awoxers in the first place, and I'd hesitate to reduce the consequences for this reason.

But I agree a solution needs to be found. Something that also deals with asshats who warp into your plex, check the timer and leave, then warp back in with 5 seconds left.

I've taken standings hits for roasting these when they do it repeatedly, and i resent it.

\rant.

I'm not saying get rid of it. Just balance the consequences.

Learn the meaning of awoxing before you post again, kkthxbye.

Yep, that damn overview!

If he engaged first, I personally don't feel you should have apologised or reimbursed him.

The part where I lost a ton of standing for shooting him after engaging my FW Bantam alt. Which since he had originally engaged first, I should of lost none in the process. This means that your typical FW AWOXER can get away with attacking one guy in the fleet and if everyone engages they lose a ton of their faction standing. To me that seems absurdly broken. Do you lose security status when someone fires on you first?

Hey! That Gallente scum was me!

Look at all the drama you have caused.

The beginning of Seans story is about you - aka 'the gallente scum.'
But if the story didn't have a beginning - then it couldn't have ended.

Therefore - This entire incident is your fault.

You should be totally ashamed of yourself for the pain and anguish you have caused Sean Parisi.



This of course can be made right and your sins will be washed away after you make a massive isk donation to your local Church of Awesome.

I wouldn't worry to much about it. Many times now my corp and i hace been accused of awoxing. Some how people think same faction in FW is a pass for being a **** :)

More funny is the knights who send you mails afterwards.

He will be happy to know that.

Seriously - He normally only attracts bunny boilers.