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The tutorials give the wrong impressions about the game

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-06-23 20:38:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game

I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market.

Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m.

Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying £15+ just to able to do things in game.

No wonder most people only play this game for a month
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#2 - 2013-06-23 20:47:42 UTC
With 600k SP, you probably don't have the skills to fly a cruiser well.

Consider the following advice: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

You can't afford to lose cruisers, so it follows that... ?


You can put a competent frigate fit together for under 1m ISK.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-06-23 20:50:35 UTC
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They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game


I set the goal of becoming the best Megathron pilot in EVE. That was three years ago and I am still learning new things but I feel I am getting there.

Set a goal, work towards it and don't expect it to happen quickly.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-06-23 20:56:23 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
With 600k SP, you probably don't have the skills to fly a cruiser well.

Consider the following advice: Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

You can't afford to lose cruisers, so it follows that... ?


You can put a competent frigate fit together for under 1m ISK.


yeah everyone tells me that but no-one says how to make the money to recover their costs.
Azurae
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-06-23 20:57:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Azurae
Paul Otichoda wrote:
They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game

I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market.

Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m.

Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying £15+ just to able to do things in game.

No wonder most people only play this game for a month

you are two weeks in the game. back when eve started battleships were the 'endgame' shiptype and cruisers the middleground. you weren't supposed to get to battleships within just a few weeks. actually you are supposed to need a few weeks to get your first cruiser and a lot longer to be able to lose them left and right ;-)

good indication for what you should be able to afford are your skillpoints. with just 600k you can't really fly cruisers well which is also why its hard to afford them. eve is a game setup for a long playing time. dont expect the WoW style within a week lvl 80 and a month to be endgame....

be patient, get a corp and eve will be rewarding


edit: if you want to know how to make money do some research, don't expect to get everything served on a silver plate in eve.... (join a corp and you will learn better ways but in the end to really make money you will have to find out yourself ;-) )
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-23 21:03:10 UTC
Azurae wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game

I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market.

Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m.

Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying £15+ just to able to do things in game.

No wonder most people only play this game for a month

you are two weeks in the game. back when eve started battleships were the 'endgame' shiptype and cruisers the middleground. you weren't supposed to get to battleships within just a few weeks. actually you are supposed to need a few weeks to get your first cruiser and a lot longer to be able to lose them left and right ;-)

good indication for what you should be able to afford are your skillpoints. with just 600k you can't really fly cruisers well which is also why its hard to afford them. eve is a game setup for a long playing time. dont expect the WoW style within a week lvl 80 and a month to be endgame....

be patient, get a corp and eve will be rewarding


edit: if you want to know how to make money do some research, don't expect to get everything served on a silver plate in eve.... (join a corp and you will learn better ways but in the end to really make money you will have to find out yourself ;-) )


Then explain how I saw someone with a battleship after 10 days or another with a 30m mining barge after 16 days?
Mother Drone
Transcendent Breed
#7 - 2013-06-23 21:08:46 UTC
That's simply not true. You can earn a lot of isk (comparatively) with very low SPs. What you DO need is an understanding/experience of the game, which a new player doesn't have, of course. There come corporations into play...
Either you're clever enough to find those ways of earning ISK of your own or you simply use your social skills (if you have any) to find the proper corp, which gives you valuable advices.

Hint for you: gas/ladar sites if you're a miner or sec-tags if you're combat orientated or even scamming ... needs more knowledge of human behaviour than game mechanics^^.
That are just 3 fast examples Pirate

ps: Since this a drunk post please excuse horribad grammar/spelling error.
Galaxy Chicken
Galaxy Farm Carebear Repurposing
#8 - 2013-06-23 21:11:37 UTC
Buy a PLEX, sell it for ISK and buy 1000 Rifters.

Go with the Code.
www.minerbumping.com
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2013-06-23 21:16:54 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Then explain how I saw someone with a battleship after 10 days or another with a 30m mining barge after 16 days?


Odds are they're alts.

Paul Otichoda wrote:
yeah everyone tells me that but no-one says how to make the money to recover their costs.



Find something that you enjoy doing and figure out how to make money doing it.

For example, if you like running missions, you can get running l3s in under a month, and level 4s in 3-4 months.

If you like playing with the market, you can start making money your first day. It's not going to be a lot, but if you keep reinvesting you can do very well.

Scams require exactly 0 SP to pull off.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#10 - 2013-06-23 21:29:38 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game


You can, but unlike most other MMOs, here you have:

- to be SMART enough to deserve such "something"

- to set yourself intermediate objectives to achieve and get to such final objective.



EvE Online portal | EvE markets tutorials
Steve WingYip
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-06-23 21:46:42 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game

I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market.

Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m.

Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying £15+ just to able to do things in game.

No wonder most people only play this game for a month


You should not rush to pvp in the game without support and you should not rush a cruiser in the game with only 600k sp. And no, don't buy plex this early. Find ways to make isk. Mining, trading, exploration, ratting. Hundreds of ways to do it.
Steve WingYip
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-06-23 21:47:34 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game

I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market.

Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m.

Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying £15+ just to able to do things in game.

No wonder most people only play this game for a month


This seems like a QQ I died and lost my stuff, rather than a critique of the tutorials.
Caldari Citizen 20120308
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-06-23 21:52:44 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game

I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market.

Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m.

Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying £15+ just to able to do things in game.

No wonder most people only play this game for a month



It feels like that yes, join faction warfare and do offensive/defensive plexing (novice sites) and earn lp -- use that lp to purchase/sell faction things on the market. Good income along with some pvp action. If you don't want the pvp action, just warp off until the hostile(s) leave?

0.0 for ratting / exploration
Leper ofBacon
HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN
#14 - 2013-06-23 21:55:03 UTC
THIS GAME
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-06-23 21:55:44 UTC
Caldari Citizen 20120308 wrote:



It feels like that yes, join faction warfare and do offensive/defensive plexing (novice sites) and earn lp -- use that lp to purchase/sell faction things on the market. Good income along with some pvp action. If you don't want the pvp action, just warp off until the hostile(s) leave?

0.0 for ratting / exploration


because every PvP combat I've run across the enemy have jammed my warp drive then shot me.

Also doesn't faction warfare destroy your standing with other factions. I don't want to walk off even more of the map.
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#16 - 2013-06-23 21:56:52 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game

I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market.

Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m.

Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying £15+ just to able to do things in game.

No wonder most people only play this game for a month


Hmmm... I'll help you out.

- Buy yourself a T1 frigate.
- Training salvaging and buy salvagers.
- Go to a busy L4 mission system.
- Ask in local if anyone is running missions and not bothering to salvage.
- Fleet up with the player(s).
- Start collecting loot/salvage.
- Profit.

This will earn you ISK fast...
Bill Lane
Strategic Insanity
FUBAR.
#17 - 2013-06-23 21:59:28 UTC
Look, you can't come into the game and expect to be flying the badass ships and fits and doing the best stuff in game within your first two weeks. Stay out of lowsec until you can afford to replace your stuff, because in lowsec you will die. Live in highsec for a while and get a grasp of the game.

Join a corp, let them help guide you on what you need to do. They can help you with ships, fits, skills, answer your questions. Get out of the noob NPC corp.

The mission grind, ya it sucks. And mining doesn't get a good payout for the time invested (this coming from a miner) If you aren't using a mining barge or a venture, you're wasting time. Figure out which path you want to go down (PVE, mining, PVP) and dedicate your training to that path. It's going to take twice as long to get anywhere if you are constantly jumping around with your training (also coming from somebody who jumped around)

If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Realize that there is a difference between being able to fly a ship and being able to fly a ship well. If you can't fit it right, you're gonna lose it. Plain and simple.

Eve is for the players in it for the long haul, but they have made it so that even a new player can find a goal to work towards and make it happen. You aren't going to be flying around becoming a PVP god in a faction battlecruiser or T3 within the first month. Find things to do until your skills allow you to do better.

And the guys flying battleships and such within a very short time. Very likely alts being sent isk by their mains. Or they have a direction they are working for and bought and sold PLEX. Myself, I rarely buy PLEX ever and I've done just fine. So keep cool, know you have a long road ahead, and always continue to learn about the game. Good luck out there!

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#18 - 2013-06-23 21:59:36 UTC
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yeah everyone tells me that but no-one says how to make the money to recover their costs.


Is there any particular reason why you decided to skip the two cheapest ship classes and jump into cruisers?
Tumahub
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-06-23 22:00:13 UTC
Posting in an entitlement thread.
Sebastian N Cain
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-06-23 22:01:41 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Azurae wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
They give the impression that you can actually achieve something in this game

I've finished the tutorials, carrer and sisters of eve arc with 600,000 SP yet I find myself unable to gain enough ISK to do anything. After losing a few ships in low sec I find myself unable to even aford a cruiser and am having to grind badly paying level 2 missions and mining 6 hours a day and yet barely achieving anything. Trading seems to have been designed for (and played by) actual workers in the stock market.

Mining pays about 1m isk an hour and tier 2 missions about the same. Yet a fully ensured and equibed cruiser is going to cost up to 15m.

Really the only way to achieve anything in this game seems just to buy and sell PLEX. And I'm not paying £15+ just to able to do things in game.

No wonder most people only play this game for a month

you are two weeks in the game. back when eve started battleships were the 'endgame' shiptype and cruisers the middleground. you weren't supposed to get to battleships within just a few weeks. actually you are supposed to need a few weeks to get your first cruiser and a lot longer to be able to lose them left and right ;-)

good indication for what you should be able to afford are your skillpoints. with just 600k you can't really fly cruisers well which is also why its hard to afford them. eve is a game setup for a long playing time. dont expect the WoW style within a week lvl 80 and a month to be endgame....

be patient, get a corp and eve will be rewarding


edit: if you want to know how to make money do some research, don't expect to get everything served on a silver plate in eve.... (join a corp and you will learn better ways but in the end to really make money you will have to find out yourself ;-) )


Then explain how I saw someone with a battleship after 10 days or another with a 30m mining barge after 16 days?

Alts or Plex. Without an outside source of money it wouldn't happen. However, doing it like ths isn't a good idea. Because being able to sit in that ship doesn't mean you can do something good with it. You don't need every skill at V, but at least your skills should be decent. Then there is the player's skill, of course. Manual piloting, how to fit your ship, ewar, tactics...there is much to learn before you are somewhat efficient in combat and until you know the ropes, you will lose many ships and learn from the training you get out of the fights. And it is preferable to let these ships be cheap stuff like T1 fitted frigates so you can use them like throwaway training equipment without hurting your wallet.
Eve Uni is a good place to learn the basics, they are there for teaching new players. Red vs Blue is a good next step to learn more. Of course, if you know already a good corp that you want to join they can also teach you.

Once you have learned this stuff you likely also will have the skills and the standings to take on better paid stuff so you will have the wallet to make your next step: cruisers/battlecruisers and soetime later on battleships.

It's a kinda slow progression but it is a MMO with a long perspective, after all. And frankly speaking, those who use shortcuts are most likely to become the suppliers of nice killmails to those who didn't skimp on honing their capabilities. And many vets are actually quite happy to fly smaller ships, they are more fun than the slow bricks. So it's not that you can't enjoy yourself until you have more expensive options.

So my suggestion in short: fly frigates, join a corp (if you don't have any you want to join then go for EvE Uni, after that RvB for training and make your choice after that) and take on larger stuff after that.

I got lost in thought... it was unfamiliar territory.
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