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Best CPU for EVE

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Obunagawe
#1 - 2013-06-22 18:05:54 UTC
I'd like to gather some hard facts about this matter, I'm looking to build a new PC and I'm having a lot of trouble deciding what CPU to use, as obviously review sites don't use EVE as a benchmark and I'd like to make the new build EVE-centric.

So.

Intel Core i5 and i7 users, and AMD FX-series users!
1. What is your CPU and is it overclocked? (Example: Intel Core i5 2500K)
2. What is your % CPU use from EVE while flying in space? (Example: 4-5%, with 6% peaks)

You can use My computer -> Properties to find (1), and Task Manager to find (2).

This also serves as a hardware brag thread. Pirate
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-06-22 20:00:47 UTC
The only cpu requirement for eve is that cpu must have SSE2 instruction set.

Intel started to include SSE2 with P4 cpu. So, for intel, P4 and later cpu would work. If you want cheap, c2d e6600 can be had for 30 dollars, mobo for it is about 40, get nice heat sink for it, overclock it from 2.4 to 3-3.2 GHz.

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Obunagawe
#3 - 2013-06-22 21:23:31 UTC
That's very nice. Thankyou for the insight. I currently run EVE on a 5 year old PC so I know exactly how low the requirements are.

However my new build must be capable of smoothly running at least 50 clients in a single or dual screen ISBoxer configuration.
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-23 01:18:36 UTC
Find yourself a used i7-2600K. Easily overclocked to 4.5+ GHz and probably higher. Great CPU.
I used to be a fan of AMD but the previous generation could not compete with Intel. Things are changing going forward.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#5 - 2013-06-23 03:37:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Obunagawe wrote:
smoothly running at least 50 clients in a single or dual screen ISBoxer configuration.

50 ships on a grid are already a noteworthy amount, so most affordable CPUs would surely struggle with that many clients... and I have a feeling that if you're ever getting into a fight with a noticeable amount of other ships, not even the best single CPU on the market might be able to make it a smooth experience (heck, for a huge fleet combat, even a single instance could prove to be too much for most CPUs, let alone 50 instances).
I hope you also plan on getting the very least 32, preferably 64 GB of RAM on that baby with that many clients.

There's also the issue of video RAM - even with mediocre client resolution and all graphic details set to minimum, you're probably going to need at least 4GB (and preferably 6+GB) of video RAM (possibly across multiple video cards) unless you want to degrade performance a lot further by forcing your system to start sharing regular RAM (which is much slower) for video purposes.

You might want to consider getting multiple cheaper machines and running equal smaller numbers of clients on each instead of a single uber-powerful (and insanely expensive) machine which runs them all.

P.S. You'd be better off asking this on the EVE ISBoxer forums.
Or sift through the archive.
For instance, http://isboxer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3680
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-06-23 03:43:09 UTC
E7300 overclocked to 3.6 - never had a problem running Eve . 3 clients at a time.

Yeeeessss I have flown in big fights etc....

Just buy the best CPU you can.

Aaaaaaand relax.

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#7 - 2013-06-23 10:28:46 UTC
If you are going to quadbox or more, I HIGHLY suggest no overclocking, perhaps even underclocking something with 16-32 cores to make sure your computer's heat levels keep ALL cores running.

A good cooling system should be number 1 priority, A HEAPING amount of RAM 2nd priority, As many cores as you can stuff 3rd priority.

Dual Graphics, ATi (the ones that are known to be capable of running at-least 6 screens/monitors/TV's each)
Obunagawe
#8 - 2013-06-23 12:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Obunagawe
Yes, it's a tough one isn't it?

I was speaking to someone in-game who has a six-core Intel processor, which was running at 4.5% total load for 3 undocked clients. Assuming a linear increase, that processor would get me 50 clients with room to spare.

I am well aware of the RAM issue and 32GB is the minimum I will spec, and more likely 64GB if I go with a six-core. Most current motherboards can only hold a maximum of 32GB - only the Socket 2011 mobos can hold 64GB. I've run my own tests and a client on low settings will take 700MB at worst. So 50 clients would be pushing it on 32GB, and easy on 64GB.

I am also aware of the VRAM issue and I believe I could get away wtih a 3GB card. However a pair of 2GB cards in crossfire might be more suitable for my purposes. My own tests showed that each client will use around 50-80MB of VRAM on low settings, meaning that I'd need a 3GB card for best case scenario and 4GB for worst case. I don't think the actual power of the card will matter too much given that it will only be running 1 or 2 relatively low res screens.

Would I perhaps be cheaper getting multiple less powerful computers?
Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-06-23 13:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6636
6 clients 6 monitors @ 1920x1080
amd fx 8120 black edition--the 3.2Ghz 8 core one
dual Radeon HD 7970s in crossfire (the 6x Eyefinity ones) AMD overdrive high settings (mild power bump, some clock)
my graphics settings are mid-range and interval is immediate
the "active" client will sit between 225 and 250 frames, with drops into the low 100s at warp-ins and session changes etc
the remaining clients will idle between 60 and 70 frames.

framerate differences between AA high or off are low--even in CQ, it's 10 frames

the biggest impact seems to be shadows and textures, but I would rather have frame rates than intricate ship details. I usually keep AA off, just because I'm not looking so closely at the ships.

not much variation in frame rate, maybe 10 per client:
AA high in CQ low 30s
AA off in CQ high 30s
AA high in Space (close) 225/70
AA high in Space (far) 250/70
AA off in Space (close) 200/70
AA off in Space (far) 220/65
(download images for full res)

EVE uses about 1GB of RAM per client, resource monitor tells me the CPUs are all running at 100% for both interval immediate and interval one. Interval one keeps the frames close to 60, but I'd rather let the graphics card off the leash, so to speak.

with my rig price point as proof that I don't skimp on $ for performance, I want to say that I would go Intel if I had to do it again, but I don't have any performance issues that make me want to make the switch. with the exception of the video cards, the reason for going AMD was... I picked the parts from what was available and on sale at Fry's and I wanted to do it all in one visit. the cards were ordered online.

however: I don't do fleet engagements--the most I ever see is jita, and the performance is fine there, too. I don't know how my setup would handle omg half of eve shooting at one another.

screenshots

//oh, one other consideration: I'm using a CyberPower 1350 PFCLCD ... it's one of their "Pure Sine Wave" series backups, which is a "true" sine wave UPS (versus simulated sine wave), and basically just a more stable AC current to your power supply, which helps take the load off power supplies that use Active PFC when your residential power drops or fluctuates (and it does).

apparently it gets so bad that although my other appliances don't notice a thing, the backup will switch to battery occasionally to keep the AC steady. makes me happy.

i use a Corsair AX850 power supply.

there is a usb interface for the UPS, and my desktop shows a battery indicator like a laptop's, and it has power options that allow it to behave like one (a laptop).

//did I just kill another thread? I should add this post to my bios (character bio... s)
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#10 - 2013-06-23 18:36:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Kara Books
Dual CPU motherboards are not that costly, 250-300$ and a ram PCI based expansion card can run from 50-200$

as for AMD, dual and quad processor motherboards the cheapest one I ran across was 450, each 16 (6272) core CPU ~ 600$ for a dual CPU motherboard (32 cores)
2 decent Video cards with that unique 6X 400-500$
case, (Good) cooling system and hard drive 400-500$
64 gigs of ran + RAM expansion card 700-800$ (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6261224&SRCCODE=WEBGOOPA&cm_mmc_o=mH4CjC7BBTkwCjCV1-CjCE&gclid=CKe21Obn-rcCFQui4AodUg0Alw) supports 256GB onboard ram so 200$ cheaper on the spot (P.S. just intended as a reference)
Im sure a better or cheaper one can be dug up.

as for intel, your looking at 1500-3000$$ per Xeon CPU but the motherboards for them are a drop cheaper, 100-150$~ same idea as the AMD version

Just the
AMD system alone would run you 3500 bare minimum and if you wanted to up graphics or more ram, could easily hit 4000$

Intel would run you well into 6000$ for little gain in performance, realistically speaking, to boot, even if you scaled to 4 cores AMD would still probably come out on top, because half the price is a pretty big advantage.

As for rain up there, the guy is well known for his multiboxing, he should know his stuff not from theory but from experience so he may have more pointers then your average eve player.
Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-06-23 18:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6636
o7 Kara Books have I told you how hot you are (this week) Lol

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CbYr <-I would not go cheaper than this. video cards are your wiggle room, you could also not go with OS drives in RAID 0 (that part was just to feel special Big smile) sound card is optional, too, of course

about multiple clients: i've never had to overlap clients--it's always been one per monitor.

going from 1->3->5 clients is a month to two months of normalization minimum. as in, you'll forget to turn on modules and lock targets/move etc.

I sat at 3 clients for a few years, and when I jumped to 5 I had to drop corp after just 2 wormhole ops because it was too much--even with the nub clients as simple cloaky gate scouts. 6 months later, awareness is back to normal.

TL;DR: it takes a bit of getting used to.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-06-23 19:01:59 UTC
Obunagawe wrote:
That's very nice. Thankyou for the insight. I currently run EVE on a 5 year old PC so I know exactly how low the requirements are.

However my new build must be capable of smoothly running at least 50 clients in a single or dual screen ISBoxer configuration.

lol
Thanks for trolling ☺

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Rain6636
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2013-06-23 19:39:35 UTC
****. is that what this was?

oh well. i like the post in my bio. saves time for the next troll rite?
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-06-24 16:59:33 UTC
I recently upgraded from a core2 duo running at about 2.8ghz, to an i5 running at 3.4ghz

eve ran just fine on the core2.
eve only runs better because I also upgraded from a 4650 to a 660ti at the same time.


going from 2 to 4 cpu cores has actually made little difference, as overall cpu usage was never high to begin with.
40ish % with the core 2, 20ish % with i5

the gpu makes a much larger impact on your eve gaming experience from what ive seen.
Obunagawe
#15 - 2013-06-24 17:33:43 UTC
Well I think it's pretty simple maths that if 1 client is using 5% of my CPU, that 50 clients will use 250% of my CPU and therefore my computer will explode and that CPU is not suitable.
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-06-24 17:47:58 UTC
Obunagawe wrote:
Well I think it's pretty simple maths that if 1 client is using 5% of my CPU, that 50 clients will use 250% of my CPU and therefore my computer will explode and that CPU is not suitable.

Approximate recommendations

2 instances: 2 CPU Cores, 2GB RAM, 512MB video card
3 instances: 2-4 CPU cores, 3GB RAM, 512MB video card
4 instances: 3-4 CPU cores, 4GB RAM, 512MB video card
5 instances: 4-6 CPU cores, 5GB RAM, 512MB video card
6 instances: 4-6 CPU cores, 6GB RAM, 512MB video card
http://isboxer.com/wiki/Multiboxing#Recommended_System_Specifications

50? lol

Life is short and dinner time is chancy

Eat dessert first!

Obunagawe
#17 - 2013-06-24 17:57:49 UTC
Caleidascope wrote:
Obunagawe wrote:
Well I think it's pretty simple maths that if 1 client is using 5% of my CPU, that 50 clients will use 250% of my CPU and therefore my computer will explode and that CPU is not suitable.

Approximate recommendations

2 instances: 2 CPU Cores, 2GB RAM, 512MB video card
3 instances: 2-4 CPU cores, 3GB RAM, 512MB video card
4 instances: 3-4 CPU cores, 4GB RAM, 512MB video card
5 instances: 4-6 CPU cores, 5GB RAM, 512MB video card
6 instances: 4-6 CPU cores, 6GB RAM, 512MB video card
http://isboxer.com/wiki/Multiboxing#Recommended_System_Specifications

50? lol


Thats not for EVE. I am confident that 50 accounts would be more than feasible with an i7 3930K, 64GB memory, and two 560Tis in SLI. I have done the math and testing.

But if I can get away with less expense then it's of course better.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#18 - 2013-06-24 20:44:41 UTC
Obunagawe wrote:
I am confident that 50 accounts would be more than feasible with an i7 3930K

I guess it depends on whether you would be happy with single-digit FPS in medium-scale engagements.
Obunagawe
#19 - 2013-06-24 20:46:26 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Obunagawe wrote:
I am confident that 50 accounts would be more than feasible with an i7 3930K

I guess it depends on whether you would be happy with single-digit FPS in medium-scale engagements.


Define medium scale. I intend to be the majority of people on grid :D
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#20 - 2013-06-25 01:28:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Obunagawe wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Obunagawe wrote:
I am confident that 50 accounts would be more than feasible with an i7 3930K

I guess it depends on whether you would be happy with single-digit FPS in medium-scale engagements.

Define medium scale. I intend to be the majority of people on grid :D

What you intend to always happen and what will actually happen each and every time is not necessarily always the same thing, wouldn't you agree ? Lol

50 ships is probably already medium-scale, plus whatever else the enemy might bring, that's almost surely got to get you into CPU-heavy territory on a fairly regular basis.

The CPU demand is closer to exponential rather than linear with multiple ships on grid, especially when a large group is in close proximity (which will most likely be the case for your swarm) and heading in vectors which might bring them to intersect (which, again, will also quite possibly be the case for you and at least some of your targets).
Hopefully, you will not use many drones (or any), and probably be light on the missiles (preferably gun turrets almost exclusively), or at least disable all corresponding effects on all clients except your "main" one (although if that one blows up, it will be extra-annoying to switch another one as primary graphics to see all the stuff you need to see).

Basically, again, you would probably be a LOT better off (both from a cost and a performance perspective) with multiple machines each running a lot less clients, and all slaved into your main machine via ISBoxer//InnerSpace.
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