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Revamp decryptors
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Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-23 07:12:02 UTC
Hello everyone.
Suggestion is the following:
Make decryptors more valuable. Why do we have decryptors that give +2 run modifier and at the same time -1 ME? We already have ME and PE -4. Why not to make them good?
Say the most basic decryptor will be like:
Prob modifier +10%
ME +1
PE +1
run +1

and the best:

Prob +200%
ME +20
PE +20
run +9

That will make them much more desirable for inventors (so data sites will be more profitable) and will allow inventors to effectively compete with T2 BPOs.
Regan Rotineque
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-06-23 07:16:19 UTC
Posting in a stealth nerf t2 bpo thread

Though I do believe they should be eliminated.......

That being said....interesting thought OP

A wider variety of them perhaps....more lewts for the new lewt piñata game CCP has everyone playing
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-06-23 07:28:00 UTC
I'd like to see a perhaps, very rare +4 ME decryptor.

Wastage hurts brah. Of course, the price of this decryptor due to rarity would probably kill every bit of profit you'd make by not having a -2 or -1 ME.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2013-06-23 07:29:31 UTC
We dont need to compete with T2 BPOs. They are too few to make any real difference.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-06-23 07:53:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We dont need to compete with T2 BPOs. They are too few to make any real difference.


Because you probably own some
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#6 - 2013-06-23 10:18:00 UTC
I approve of this. Greater variety sounds great :D

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-06-23 10:35:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Excellent idea, a very good one to counter the silliness of T2 BOPs still impacting the game while those are not available anymore, leave them as collector items but not usable would be the best choice.
If there are really few of them then the little amount of tears and rage quits is definitively worth to scrap them.

If CCP really intends to leave those then they should give inventors the necessary tools to counter those easier than now, those decryptors idea is really good.

+100

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Ryshca
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-06-23 11:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryshca
What the op suggested just happened, a stealth nerf on t2 bpos with super decryptors which can be farmed too easy...

But as a site note for those complaining about it, no nerf to t2 bpos will make you guys richer. You will stay poor and you won't be able to make more isk than others because its not CCP fault. It is just because you are stupid, that is the reason why you fail to make a decent amount of isk and there is no way for CCP to fix it, CCP can't make you smart, sorry guys ;(.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#9 - 2013-06-23 15:09:42 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We dont need to compete with T2 BPOs. They are too few to make any real difference.


Because you probably own some


Learn 2 maths.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2013-06-23 15:12:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Nah. I rather like that you have to balance different benefits against each other and that different decryptors are suitable for different tasks, rather than have “one decryptor to rule them all”.

The current model requires a modicum of thinking; your suggesting makes it simplistic and brainless.

…oh, and invention already competes just fine with BPOs.
Mytai Gengod
Sebees
#11 - 2013-06-23 15:33:40 UTC
Every thread.

Changes that would assist newer players vs the advantages enjoyed by veterans are roundly discouraged and argued against by veteran players. Changes in every patch make the game harder, longer or more expensive. It's like the opposite of the "we had to walk school up hill both ways". In Eve it's like "we had teleporters and want you to crawl to school".

And changes that would slow down new player growth and entrench older players further (or at least prolong their isk and asset superiority) are championed by those same veteran players who enjoy their roost too much to compromise it.

This forum is so transparent.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#12 - 2013-06-23 15:42:38 UTC
Mytai Gengod wrote:
Every thread.

Changes that would assist newer players vs the advantages enjoyed by veterans are roundly discouraged and argued against by veteran players. Changes in every patch make the game harder, longer or more expensive. It's like the opposite of the "we had to walk school up hill both ways". In Eve it's like "we had teleporters and want you to crawl to school".

And changes that would slow down new player growth and entrench older players further (or at least prolong their isk and asset superiority) are championed by those same veteran players who enjoy their roost too much to compromise it.

This forum is so transparent.


Or, maybe as a new player everything only seems to be unfair to you because you lack the experience yet to see the bigger picture, and because weren't around when things were truly unbalanced.

Also GD is not the place to be sperging ideas for the game, there's a forum area specifically for that where you will likely get different results and much less derision from your elders.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2013-06-23 15:42:52 UTC
Mytai Gengod wrote:
Every thread.

Changes that would assist newer players vs the advantages enjoyed by veterans are roundly discouraged and argued against by veteran players.
Close, but not quite. Changes that new players incorrectly believe would assist them, but which would be far more beneficial for the older players that have the ISK, skills, and know-how to exploit them, are roundly discouraged and argued against by players who have been around long enough to realise who'll be the real beneficiary.

It's Malcanis' law all over again: whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of ‘new players’, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. Who do you think will be able to collect and/or afford the high-end decryptors, if you make it a matter of straight progression from worse to better, rather than a choice between trade-offs? Who do you think will be stuck with no or low-quality decryptors, and thus won't be able to compete?
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-06-23 16:03:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mytai Gengod wrote:
Every thread.

Changes that would assist newer players vs the advantages enjoyed by veterans are roundly discouraged and argued against by veteran players.
Close, but not quite. Changes that new players incorrectly believe would assist them, but which would be far more beneficial for the older players that have the ISK, skills, and know-how to exploit them, are roundly discouraged and argued against by players who have been around long enough to realise who'll be the real beneficiary.

It's Malcanis' law all over again: whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of ‘new players’, that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. Who do you think will be able to collect and/or afford the high-end decryptors, if you make it a matter of straight progression from worse to better, rather than a choice between trade-offs? Who do you think will be stuck with no or low-quality decryptors, and thus won't be able to compete?


If you read carefully my post, there is nothing about new/old player benefits. Decryptors at current stage are bad. +10% prob modifier, +1 ME for example. At the same time some BPO owners sit with +20 ME and PE +20. They are unattainable. Think about it. Why not to buff decryptors to a point when they can effectively complete with t2 BPOs?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#15 - 2013-06-23 16:08:58 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
If you read carefully my post, there is nothing about new/old player benefits.
No, but that is the effect of what you're asking for.

New players will be stuck with no or crappy decryptors. Older and richer players will be able to make use of the improved ones.

Quote:
Why not to buff decryptors to a point when they can effectively complete with t2 BPOs?
Because you already can, so no buff is needed to achieve what you want, and because the changes you suggest create a progression from good to bad where there currently isn't one, thereby replacing the current decision between what's best for what you're trying to invent.

The current decryptors work just fine for that purpose and work the same for everyone because they do not that kind of simplistic progression.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#16 - 2013-06-23 16:30:50 UTC
ITT: Clueless people think that all T2 products on the market are made from BPO, and that no one could possibly make any isk inventing them.

Incidentally, this thought is a sympton of why those people are poor.
Royal Executioner Shazih
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-06-23 17:30:56 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
ITT: Clueless people think that all T2 products on the market are made from BPO, and that no one could possibly make any isk inventing them.

Incidentally, this thought is a sympton of why those people are poor.


Clueless people think I have anything to do with data sites or invention.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-06-23 18:02:37 UTC
Royal Executioner Shazih wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
ITT: Clueless people think that all T2 products on the market are made from BPO, and that no one could possibly make any isk inventing them.

Incidentally, this thought is a sympton of why those people are poor.


Clueless people think I have anything to do with data sites or invention.

Then why should we listen to your "ideas" to "improve" both? Realy I've done the math, and you really have no clue do you? I don't have a T2 BPO and I pull in about a Bil a month. Invention is fine, the decryptors are fine, T2 BPOs are inconsequencial in the greater shceme of things. Your ideas are the same, horrible tripe, that has been regurgitated over and over by clueless idiots who think T2 BPOs are "still" ruining invention.

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