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What makes more isk? Looting/salvaging or LP whoring?

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Mattadore
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-03-26 04:41:26 UTC
I've been triple boxing lvl4's in Caldari space recently. Doing 3 missions together at a time on my accounts. My question is; would I make isk faster if I looted and salvaged each mission in a Noctis, or if I blitzed missions and whore LP for the LP store?
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#2 - 2013-03-26 06:40:05 UTC
I dont know if this is 'the best' plan but it works for me.

I BM (Coprorate BM) the first wreck in any deaspace mission area I land in. after an hour and half of mission running I send both toons out in Noctis's to clean up all the BM's. Loot and salvage are almost always worth double the bounties and sometimes much more.

As for LP, I have been finding less and less margins available on LP items, (I blame FW farms) but there is more than enough to still make it worthwhile if you research it right.

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Mattadore
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-03-26 09:19:44 UTC
Ok cool thanks. I looted and salvaged 3 missions and make like 60 mil lol, worth it to me.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-03-26 10:28:13 UTC
Mattadore wrote:
Ok cool thanks. I looted and salvaged 3 missions and make like 60 mil lol, worth it to me.

60 mil sounds like a lot but consider the following: looting and salvaging three missions probably took you about 20-30 minutes. if you run a high dps ship and blitz missions for max LP payouts, you could have made about 20-25k LP in those same 20-30 minutes. if you are converting LP into ISK at a rate of 1:2000 that's your 60 million right there, and you still get bounties and mission rewards on top of that.
I am not saying that salvaging is a bad choice. if you are too lazy to research the right items to buy with LP, do not have a high performing mission ship, do not know how to blitz properly etc., looting/salvaging may very well be your best option.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Mattadore
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-03-26 13:14:52 UTC
Hmmm....ya don't say.... maybe I'll buy another Machariel again.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#6 - 2013-03-26 13:50:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
Don´t forget the time you have to invest to sorting the loot, reprocessing some of it, ferrying it to the trade hub, selling it or setting up sell orders (and babysit them) while all this time spent could be used to run another mission or two as well.

On the other hand I believe a 1:2000 rate for LP is quite liberal and lucky. A lesser exchange rate is more likely and less time intensive.

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Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-03-29 00:37:19 UTC
You could use a salvage corp like Pro Synergy if you don't want to salvage yourself but hate leaving the stuff behind.

There's also the Free Wrecks channel in game.
bufnitza calatoare
#8 - 2013-03-29 01:25:45 UTC  |  Edited by: bufnitza calatoare
we had a corp mate make over 800m just looting and salvaging in just a day. mind you this was in null sec.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-03-29 02:43:21 UTC
So many variables.

Depends on the LP store.

depends on how fast you can salvage. I find it much harder to multibox salvagers than dps ships. So you may be able to run triple box missions faster then trying to salvage.

Depends on your play style. When I ran missions I just found salvaging a change of pace. After 90min or so the salvaging was almost like a break.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-03-29 03:35:43 UTC
I recently started salvaging all my missions. I run for an hour or so, then salvage. Make rigs with what I can and every few weeks sell the items that are over 100k each and melt the rest to make ammo with. Trade ammo and LP for faction ammo. Use some, sell some. I dual box for the mission and just use 1 toon to salvage. Its almost impossible to keep up with one noctis, dunno how people use 2. Tractoring 4 wrecks while salvaging 4 and emptying containers is all my poor old co-ords can handle. T2 tractors, T2 salvagers and ore industrail 4 makes for quick work
Ereilian
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-03-29 04:30:42 UTC
I have to say farming missions makes life easier for dualboxing kill/salvage. As I dont care about Gal standings a week of EA3 nets 40-50 mil per day. Oh and as I see the margins, 800isk/LP appears to be average.
Skurja Volpar
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#12 - 2013-03-29 09:06:22 UTC
It depends on the mission a lot of the time too, something like Gone Berserk will net you a huge amount of cash in mods, more than the reward+bounty, most missions not so much, although I find mercs give good payout too, whereas drone missions are not really worth looting at all.

Although, if your multi-boxing, I don't see the harm in dropping 1 character for a Noctis.
Grombutz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-03-29 10:49:45 UTC
Ereilian wrote:
I have to say farming missions makes life easier for dualboxing kill/salvage. As I dont care about Gal standings a week of EA3 nets 40-50 mil per day. Oh and as I see the margins, 800isk/LP appears to be average.


^ pretty much this.

20 minutes of work, 50 mil in loot.. \o/
Ala Bamma
Virtual Democracy
#14 - 2013-06-21 19:31:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ala Bamma
Ok. the best answer is to salvage and then use the reprocessed minerals to build stuff off blueprints bought from LP store. I use the ore/sell guide on eve-industrialist.com. this tells you what is most profitable being sold and what should be reprocessed and used for minerals. I wont tell you what I make, but it is pretty good for just using two toons. I have also found that if you are interested, using the drops and putting them into ships that you built, and then putting those ships on contract will also be a good revenue, as most new players that know how to use contracts will look for a fully fit ship they can use, and most of the drops are lets 2-3, sometimes 4. If you can run 2 accounts at once, I highly recommend using the isk you make from blitzing to create a new character, train for a t2 fit noctis, and then your profits will be much higher. Do the mission on one character, and salvage behind it with another in a well skilled noctis. That's how I do it, and its working pretty well for me. Blitzing is best if you are interested in buying a titan within the next month or so, and can only run one account, salvaging is best if you want more long term table profits, as with what has already been said most missions are different in what they drop what they give as bounties and what they give as LP/reward. hope this helps.
ashley Eoner
#15 - 2013-06-22 00:29:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Daniel Plain wrote:
Mattadore wrote:
Ok cool thanks. I looted and salvaged 3 missions and make like 60 mil lol, worth it to me.

60 mil sounds like a lot but consider the following: looting and salvaging three missions probably took you about 20-30 minutes. if you run a high dps ship and blitz missions for max LP payouts, you could have made about 20-25k LP in those same 20-30 minutes. if you are converting LP into ISK at a rate of 1:2000 that's your 60 million right there, and you still get bounties and mission rewards on top of that.
I am not saying that salvaging is a bad choice. if you are too lazy to research the right items to buy with LP, do not have a high performing mission ship, do not know how to blitz properly etc., looting/salvaging may very well be your best option.
If it took you 20 minutes to salvage three missions then you're either not paying attention or you're an incredibly slow player.. Between the effectiveness of the drones and a properly fitted out noctis you should be moving through sites quickly.

I wait till I have a huge load of loot before I even bother sorting it. It takes me less then 10 minutes to sort and prepare the loot. Then whenever I make a run to a major hub for supplies I take the loot with me to drop off and sell. The part that takes the longest is actually selling the stuff.

I am moving into making rigs with some of the salvage which allows for better margins. I also am intending to get around to making my own ammo at some point with the stuff I've melted down.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#16 - 2013-06-22 06:08:49 UTC
the EA chain is nice, I just wish EA 5/5 was triggers instead of timed... sit around waiting for respawns. ah well ~70m in loot, max lp payout, and 3m reward+bouns all in ~30 mins

and as said above the longest part is selling all the damn loot. man I don't look forward to that jita trip....

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#17 - 2013-06-22 19:31:06 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Mattadore wrote:
Ok cool thanks. I looted and salvaged 3 missions and make like 60 mil lol, worth it to me.

60 mil sounds like a lot but consider the following: looting and salvaging three missions probably took you about 20-30 minutes. if you run a high dps ship and blitz missions for max LP payouts, you could have made about 20-25k LP in those same 20-30 minutes. if you are converting LP into ISK at a rate of 1:2000 that's your 60 million right there, and you still get bounties and mission rewards on top of that.
I am not saying that salvaging is a bad choice. if you are too lazy to research the right items to buy with LP, do not have a high performing mission ship, do not know how to blitz properly etc., looting/salvaging may very well be your best option.


So you are instantly selling your LP for 2k conversion huh? Sure. 22500 lp per 25 minutes? That's 3 of the top tier missions in half an hour. You aren't getting that in the same system. So now were talking about moving systems, which seriously lowers the income over time. Yes, when maximizing LP you can get a lot MAXIMUM. But you cant get that many LP sustained over time.

My record for salvaging is currently 272 mil an hour in hisec because I salvaged gone berserk back to back in 11 minutes. But trying to say I can sustain 272 mil an hour salvaging is bullshit. Same with saying you can make 60mil every hour converting LP. You have to consider the market time and the times you don't get the good missions.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#18 - 2013-06-22 23:24:48 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Incursion ISK whoring probalby makes the best ISK after Forsakin' HUB anom whoring by caps & super CAPs in NULL from what I've heard ...
Both are probably eclipsed by WH salvage/blue loot in class 6's but that is alot more work because you have to transport the stuff out
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#19 - 2013-06-23 01:39:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
DarthNefarius wrote:
Incursion ISK whoring probalby makes the best ISK after Forsakin' HUB anom whoring by caps & super CAPs in NULL from what I've heard ...
Both are probably eclipsed by WH salvage/blue loot in class 6's but that is alot more work because you have to transport the stuff out


Lol. even a c3 crushes the very best incursion ISK whoring.

or....

Do you multibox incursions? If you multibox its about even. The new scanning changes allow you to WH on one account.

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Krann
Trout Mask Replicants
#20 - 2013-06-23 08:44:56 UTC
I'm lazy so hate salvaging.

My method is to start mission. Drop salvage drones, tractor any cans and forget any wrecks which are out of range. Once the red crosses are gone so am I.

Sometimes I get a few wrecks, sometimes nearly all of them.

After about 10 missions I sold / reprocessed and got about 150 mil. This additional income is great for almost no work.

Essentially this works for me because going back with a Noctis doesn't suit me.

I use a marauder mind so get a tractor range bonus. And in all those missions I lost 3 drones to inattention.

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