EVE General Discussion

So how, exactly, do you propose to protect the miners when most losses are from suicide ganks in high sec?

Mr Epeen

Well not to pour water on anyone ideas, but ...
Having done a bit of this, the first problem is that it boring for the defense fleet. There's less to do than mining. Once you have de-ratted the system, wandered around a bit checking out the system "interesting" or "strategic" points (and bookmarked up safe spots and intel gather points) - that's about it.
Of course, if your defense fleet is happy just chatting, then you can overcome the problems.
The next problem is the miners, ventures and cheap haulers work fine - but don't expect to get rich quick. Once you start to put any decent mining barge on the grid; rewards increase, as does risk.
While two or three decent fighters and a logi/ECM ship are probably enough to keep local lo sec pirates at bay; once you have a decent mining fleet, its enough of a lure to get half a dozen serious losec pirates (at least) to turn up for the fun and reward.
Of course you can field a bigger defense fleet, but then becomes it own draw and now you have serious PvP roaming fleets interested in you too.
Since you can do pretty much the same thing in a WH for better rewards (and often) less risk; aside from the novelty, there's not a lot to be gained. Obviously, if you drop a POS into the losec mix, then you can increase the ISK income significantly.
Don't get me wrong, I love doing stuff in Eve just for the hell of it, regardless of efficiency of ISK gain; but I'm not sure that you will have a great deal of success here. Although I can only speak of losec and WH, I have no experience of Null to speak of.

What need to happen, as many have commented, is a new resource, ring mining perhaps, that take advantage of the Ventures's strength, some sort of long cycle time (30 mins). This would create a reason of a small fleet of Ventures to head off to losec supported by a small gang defense fleet. Add in some Ring-Rat Drones (fast spawn) and I would say we had a mini game - with the benefit or enhancing losec game play for our Pirate friends.

So, you are planning not to protect them but to insure their ships?

You still fail to explain how it will solve the actual problem Mr Epeen brings up....

You cannot preempt kill a suspected suicide ganker until they become flashy to you without incurring the wrath of CONCORD first, and by the time they actually do gank the miner to become flashy, they're dead anyways.

The ore is safe then, the Hulk is still dead.

[quote=Neuntausend]The ore is safe then, the Hulk is still dead.[/

haha, I do see ur point but you have to know that ganking usually occurs to get the ore so if you remove the ore from the equation u dramatically decrease the chance of a gank.

I'm taking any ideas you have to fix this problem but as we will replace their ship and kill the attacker, I see no problem

There already exists a miner protection service.
It's called a New Order mining permit.

Yes we are talking about different people, there was another corp that I ran into named I H4TE YOUR FACE who made miners pay to mine and simply killed the ones that didn't.

I PROPOSE A NEW TYPE OF SUICIDE GANKER CALLED: OLD ORDER (O.O) that ganks all catalysts & suspiciously fitted ships in ice anoms in HI sec & ore belts
O.O would ask for 'PERMITS' to gank in ice anoms that cost 1 BILLION ISK per year