EVE General Discussion

This game is stagnating for sure. Captain's Quarters while kinda pretty etc didn't add anything to the gameplay of Eve for me. Just hope CCP realise this.

Don't forget hats. TF2 has shown us the way.

I generally agree with the OP.

We want EVE and not WoD/Dust beta test crap.

Give us new toys for the game we love and not the trash that you think we should learn to love!!

Hmm, 10 likes in the entire thread.

Being oblivious to stagnation is not the same as proving the environment is not stagnant. And even mission runners, empire industrialists, traders, researchers and peaceful hisec players need something to work towards. People do missions to get shinier ships to do more missions to get shinier ships in impressive fireworks. What happens when you have an officier-pimped marauder and can do lev4s with utter ease in hisec and print your subscription plexes now? You've hit the top of your game really.

We need content for everyone to keep them interested in the long term and encourage them to take investment risk to secure grander things.

So you get a limited number of saves or do you have to buy more saved game slots with AUR?

I agree on some points but not on others.

IT has more to do with the two major types of players in a MMO.
You have the casual players and harcore players

Hardcore Player tend to have alot of time to play and hense progress at a faster rate then casual players.
THis is the harder group to please and as they can burn through content.
YOu see alot of them in 0.0 where there is a high demand on the players to be there when called.

THe casual players tend to have alot less time to play and hense progress at a much slower rate.
These players for the most part stay in high-sec and low-sec where they can log on when they want.

In EVE it is a little harder to see, where in a game like everquest it is very clear.
Hardcore Burn through an expansion in a week or two and settle out to raid or just quit till the next expansion.
Casual level slowly, sometimes not even maxing out there character before the next expansion.

The same types of players are here but the results are very different.
So even though a casual player has max'd out there character it takes them ALOT longer to get there.
Hense a casual player has more logevity in the game.
The hard core characters pretty much live from expansion to expansion and war to war.

CCP has cattered to the hard core players sense day one and even maanged to attract a large following of casual players in the process.

Why, freedom, you have the ability to do anything you want in this game, no other game can claim that.
0.0 is a free for all where players rule, nobody else even comes close to that.

SO now we come to Incarna.
Why would a company want to alienate its hard core player base.
The truth of the matter is they aren't, they just just can't survive on hardcore players alone.

There just isn't enough of them, if there was, then EVE would have well over a million subs right now.
That is the flat out truth, there are NOT enough hard core players out there with any staying power.

So CCP is aiming at a well rounded MMO.
One that caters to both hardcore players as well as casual players, a complete MMO like no other.
But to do that CCP needs to set aside some resources and to do it.
That means less bling for the hardcore players for awhile.

And the price of that is the loss of some subscriptions, but they will get the subscriptions back in the form of new players and hopefully old ones as well.
0.0 will always be for hardcore players.

I don't see why people just don't get it.
IF CCP had a million hardcore subscribers then they could have given 0.0 the Bling
and given Incarna at the same time.

But no money means no bling.

Yep, you need a constant stream of new missions and new types of missions to keep mission runners happy.

You need new things to build and new materials to build them with to keep the industrialists happy.

And remember five or six years ago when CCP promised that they were going to look at mining to make it more interesting? Comets! System-wide fields! Fields that need to be probed down! Well I feel sorry for the miners who aren't bots.

This is what gets me. I simply do not believe that Incarna will attract and retain new players to this game. At best its a lipstick on a pig nonsense that might convince people for a few minutes that eve is like wow before they undock and start doing missions and mining. And given the huge wasted development time ... 600 person company 18 months! to produce 1 single room CQ to the detriment of existing features - how on earth can you believe they will produce a fully-featured avatar based game out of that in the time they have alloted before critical subs failure cascade?



For less bling read no bling and for hardcore players read anyone. Does anyone really like CQ at the moment? I don't really buy the concept of casual players loading up eve and being content to bum around in their CQ for an hour or two and be satisfied with that. Loading up Eve and doing a mission or two - sure, but then your making my argument about Eve needing more in-space development for mission-runners, new ships for them to use, more challenges, more in space graphical bling.



I just don't believe in the myth of the "new player" who will be attracted and retained by incarna. If somebody wants to play an avatar-based SF mmo won't it be knights of the old republic ? or in general guild wars 2 or something? Eve is Eve at the end of the day. Its a flying in space game. If you want spaceships and like the setting then you'll stay. But for the avatars here? I don't buy it.



I don't make the distinction you do. Sure there is some content that you could call 0.0 only.

Outposts, bubbles, system upgrades, super caps etc etc.

But new ships, new missions, new graphics, new modules, new tech, new classes of vessel - these things don't have to be 0.0 only and can be used by everyone. I don't support a massive 0.0 focus of development particularly - I think there are many things that are probably equally as important - but I do support a MASSIVE reallocation of CCP resources to Eve as a project and would like to see improvements to 0.0/FW/Lowsec/Highsec/Corp/Alliance tools, Missions blah blah blah - to start rolling out in concert. Just as these things used to be done when the game was growing.

I have absolutely no problem with being flamed by people having no clue about the grand scheme of things.

The only real argument against my original post is that 2 years ago after the Dominion failure, we wanted things fixed instead of new features.

It's true, but it's long overdue. Nothing has been done as PROMISED (case in point : faction warfare) and now should be the time we get new content on top of fixed content.

We get neither hence the bunch of veterans letting their accounts expire. You can say what you want they were all playing two years ago, many since 6 years already, boredom didn't came spontaneously because all of a sudden it's been too long, 6 years is a lot of time to get bored already. They all cheered Apocrypha.

I think you are wrong Simetraz, hardcore players are much, much more important for Eve than what you might think. 0.0 is much more important than what casual high sec players think.

The market alone wouldn't be the same without the trillions of stuff blown up in great wars. There wouldn't be so many long time subscribers without alliance leaders recruiting, forming and helping new players to live in insecure space.

You can't tell me your average miner sticks with eve 7 years long. You can't say it's niceguy_15664 that catches the attention of people playing and not playing, the attention of the medias, with how much isk he makes per hour doing lvl4's in his golem.

And at the end of the day eve needs all this fame to survive. This fame is driven by the players. Bore the players, eve is dead. CQ won't help, they want to blow stuff up in spaceships. Hi.

It's clear that CCP allocated all their resources for dust and vampires since 2 years, completely neglecting eve. It's also clear that both will be failures. A FPS has a lifetime of 6 months at most and vampires are a niche in an ocean of identical MMOs. Ask yourself the right questions CCP.