EVE General Discussion

I actually loved a text based MUD for years.

Only rason I left it was the super-huge commitment it required (you know, those ancient games where you could permanently lose stats on death, lose levels and worse). Else I'd still play it, no MMO ever came close to it.

This is like asking whether you prefer a girl with great bosoms, a great ass or a great personality. You really need the whole package to be attractive. You can get away with skimping on one if another is flawless, but you shouldn't plan on doing it that way because expecting even one part to be perfect is setting yourself up for failure.

Story only matters for games that center around it. It's basically just a subcategory of gameplay. EVE depends on story for null gameplay, and it's always fresh because players are making it as they play. BF3, CoD and Halo are fun because of the mechanics--there's no story outside of your k/d ratio. DUST gameplay doesn't depend on story either yet, but it might eventually. I think a lot of game designers (notably the SWTOR team and a lot of other WoW cloners) confuse "story" with "mechanic that remains fun over time".

So if we brainstorm ways that a game can remain interesting they are:

• Gameplay that remains fun on its own over time. Examples: TF2, BF3, Counterstrike, Tekken, Minecraft,
• Drama that remains interesting/involving over time. Examples: EVE, and... I haven't played any others that managed this. (second life? Mortal Online? Age of Conan? what else has sov-type mechanics?)
• Gameplay where new goals are created as old goals are achieved. Examples: WoW Raiding, Runescape

There are great games that don't have these traits, but those games lose interest after you win or complete them. examples: The Elder Scrolls series, Batman: Arkham City, Assassin's Creed, Crysis, Farcry.

When I think of all the games that I played, there were many that had neither and I enjoyed nevertheless (Civilization 4 and 5, Torchlight 2, Orcs must die 1+2 to name a few more recent ones).

On the other hand, both story and graphics can carry a game a lot. Battlefield 3 and Skyrim would be much lesser games for me if they were less appealing.

Strangely I can't remember what game I played last for its story...

if you're refering to live events yeah great you can turn up and shoot some ccp employees undocking, then redocking when they get shot. that's what happened to the last live event i was in that wasn't the battle of caldari prime (which was prescripted to end a certain way so you don't actually actively participate in that either...)

of course games have a story, i'm not saying they don't. i'm just saying it's really irrelevant. you don't log in because "the game has a great backstory" you log in because the game is fun to play.

i mean, i personally got frustrated to no end with most of my recent game purchases because i spent more time watching ****** boring dull "story" cut scenes than i did playing a game. it felt like i'd brought some second rate dvd. it was honestly an unpleasant experience. (also any people out there who are game designers, if you make your cut scenes unskippable i hope bad things happen to you.)

also the complexity of a game has nothing to do with it's backstory.

Nah, this game seems to be lacking any kind of intriguing or awe inspiring story, it's one of the things that dissapoints me about it. I've always stood by the position that player made stories aren't that great, and that's why they aren't writers. The most I get out of this current war (and indeed every war) is nerds are chestbeating and nerdgasming over cap kills. In the end a few systems change hands, maybe an alliance disbands, and it starts all over again, rather dull from a story-point of view.



I don't play this game very often, for an 08 character I only have 23mil sp. Everytime I come back it's ok for a while but it gets boring. Same with Sins of a Solar Empire (same concept except for 4x RTS, shallow backstory, all out multi-player pew-pew), fun to play for a while then gets boring.

That's not to say story based games don't get dull, they do. Except in rare cases where games have diverging storylines like the Wing Commander series, you can only play storymode games so many times before you can recite it line by line and get sick of it.



It's all about presentation. I loved the Halo series up to about Halo 3. The story was told through communication with Cortana in your headset as you did your thing on the battlefield. I loved the way that story was told. Homeworld had its cutscenes in between level loading and during mission update objectives, and that was a phenomenal and powerful story. Some of the old Final Fantasy games were really good about telling the story. I agree about unskippable scenes, developers really should consider those of their audience who just want the action.

The complexity of EvE is impressive, but I think this game could have really excelled by having a solid pve core built in hi-sec. Having been mired in L4's and getting the same 6 story missions over and over makes it clear there was no effort put into it and it's just a bland way to make money.

If it is pretty but doesn't work, then pretty doesn't matter.

Best game ever

Wow.....I'm learning a lot posting on this website.

Seriously, that's the best game ever (well besides eve).

The story unfolds itself as you play. Its a sandbox game similar to eve.

Even better, you can still play it!! You can go to that link, and download it, and play it!!

Great game to play when eve is on the fritz.......

Its multi-player as well.

I can't even begin to try to compare lady to a video game. The likes and dislikes of a lady are far, far different from the likes and dislikes of a game.
But still a good personality is still better than a great body, never was into the ditsy supermodel girls.

Depends on the kind of game, don't you think?

A fantasy role playing game for example would probably suck without a good story, character development and a good amount of items to find and adventures to experience, but can work without state of the art graphics. An arcade-style space shooter however doesn't really need a story at all, what matters is a fun and addictive gameplay, awesome explosions and frickin lazor beams.

I personally like all kinds of games, how about you?

Now as for Eve - I hold the view, that Eve doesn't really need a premade storyline. The most important thing here is, that Eve should stay open and flexible, as the players are creating their own stories. Yes, the epic arcs and some of the mission texts are nice and I wouldn't mind more little sidestories like that, but I certainly don't want to be forced into some kind of overarcing huge storyline that I may not want to be part of. Graphics do also exist.

1)Story
2)pve content
3)pve content
4)pve content
5) Story
6)PvP

Just ask Blizzard.