EVE General Discussion

I wasn't asking how to counter them simply pointing out to you that light missile exist after your comment about how Rockets are only short range which I already knew.

…which is the time they take to train to reasonable levels. Rank 2 to lvl III = 16,000 SP, at 2200 SP/h takes just over 7 hours.

…and that's why you've fallen into the “must train to V” trap: because you have convinced yourself that you must fly at max speed; that you must have the highest possible agility; that you must have full ship bonuses; that you must have max potential damage. The fact of the matter is that you don't need any of those.

In particular, they are all completely unnecessary for the purpose of experimentation. Your initial complaint is that it took too long to try something out. You've now veered completely off track and is effectively complaining that it takes time to specialise. That is entirely intended. That's why the game is built around increasingly marginal improvements for exponentially higher costs and training times: so that trying out is cheap, quick, and easy, but specialising is expensive, hard, and gruelling.

When I say that you're running before you can crawl, I mean that you've jump straight past the cheap, quick and easy part and instead immediately started down the slow and expensive road.

You don't need V because the game offers a multitude of tactics, techniques, ships, fittings, etc. that let you subvert or work around any advantage the opponent might have. The only skill you need at V is the one you can't put in your training queue: “Spot enemy weakness”.

A new player in a T2 interceptor with T2 guns is going to get obliterated by an experienced player exactly the same as he would in a T1 interceptor, but it will cost him ~50 mil instead of 4 mil.
No amout of isk and skill-training will help you against player who has piloting skills and experience with game mechanics.

Your initial complaint is that it took too long to try something out. You've now veered completely off track and is effectively complaining that it takes time to specialize.

My initial point was stating that it takes to long to train some of these core skills to 5, however, apparently I don't need to do that even though I've noticed you kinda do.

My initial point was a suggestion to speed these skills up so people can 5 them quicker and do some of the more difficult content that is also more fun and engage rather than fighting NPC's constantly in the same boring fashion.

You stated I don't need to 5, but every time I try to PVP I just can't break someones tank because they are using T2 equipment and guns and I am not.

I guess I just really need someone who will mentor me and help me start enjoying this game rather than sitting in a station waiting for skills to 5.

And why do you think that everybody out there is going to be a 10 year old vet flying a T1 frigate?

Most everybody is going to either be new or learning in a t1 frig.

I always judge things from the worst possible scenario and work from there.

In this case me in a frigate running into a 10 year old player who is bored in a frigate.

Almost every video game I can think of will result in you getting stomped by a 10 year old vet on your first week of playing.

Its just how it is.

Start fighting carebears and industrial pilots, no matter how "vet" they are.. they still blow at PvP. A few days of research and a good gameplan will make you win.

Otherwise go join a pvp group that is willing to take you in, but to do that you might need to change your attitude a bit.

get evemon (and EFT) if you haven't already and make a reasonable skill plan based on the certificates, core, defense etc. EFT will help you adjust fits to your skill level and also you can import fits into evemon and it'll make you a pre-req skill queue.

evemon can adjust training times for your remap and implants, show you what you get for the time and whether it's worthwhile. EFT can show you roughly what your tank and DPS will do and you can see what all skill V will do to your ship stats compared to your character.

Bonus, non-snarky reply...

One of the lessons of EVE is the oft-repeated "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" - which does mean that you don't fly expensive ships (i.e. those ones that require level 5 skills) until you are comfortably well off.

The corollary to that is "don't apply an expensive solution to a cheap problem". I can, and do fly Tech II ships... but I sure as hell don't fly them when I don't need to. I have a wide array of cheap ships fitted out for cheap jobs.

This isn't a game where you have no chance unless you are all fitted out in the best gear at top level. This is a game where even a veteran pilot in a top-end ship better be careful around a swarm of Tech I frigates.

Specific hint for the ammo thing... if you want a bit of an edge, but don't want to shell out the piles of ISK for Tech II ammo, get faction ammo. You can run some missions for the appropriate folks and convert your own (cheap) Tech I ammo into nicely upgraded faction ammo. And running missions is a decent way to test out various ships and fits and see what suits your playstyle, while still earning something of value.

I have EvE Mon and EFT, I've heard that following Certs is not something I should do,