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After-Action Report, Haatomo, YC115.06.18

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Vikarion
Doomheim
#161 - 2013-06-22 01:57:31 UTC
John Revenent wrote:
You too will learn to ignore Vikarion. He likes to rant about Ishukone-Raata like he knows anything of the slightest about our organization, or Ishukone.


Oh, you've had plenty to say in the past. In fact, I believe your organization has had more friendly contact with organizations I have been in than hostile. And, despite your straw-man, I've had nothing bad to say about Ishukone, who I view as a valued State Mega.

But I certainly can call you and yours on the carpet when you are being self-righteous beyond all reason and demonstrated action.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#162 - 2013-06-22 02:48:13 UTC
Duly noted, Revenent-haan.

Vikarion-haan, please forward me the mails? If you are going to rail against others as the more-dutiful-than-thou, you should surely provide some documentation.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#163 - 2013-06-22 02:56:34 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Duly noted, Revenent-haan.

Vikarion-haan, please forward me the mails? If you are going to rail against others as the more-dutiful-than-thou, you should surely provide some documentation.


Assuming he is speaking about the fleet mails for the Battle of Caldari Prime, I've also sent them to you. You should be able to determine their accuracy by comparing with those received by other pilots listed in the originals.

Katrina Oniseki

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#164 - 2013-06-22 03:00:27 UTC
Rikaato, Oniseki-kirjuun.

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Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#165 - 2013-06-22 04:05:55 UTC
Regardless, if Kim ever changes her mind and does wish to partake in the Tea Maker ceremony, I will be more than honored to administer it to her.


As for the original purpose of this thread, my thanks to Hakatain-haan for providing this detailed report on the events. It was an immense honor bringing these terrorists to justice alongside you, kirjuun.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#166 - 2013-06-22 05:19:49 UTC
Korsavius wrote:
Regardless, if Kim ever changes her mind and does wish to partake in the Tea Maker ceremony, I will be more than honored to administer it to her.

The ceremony is conducted by Caldari for Caldari. To take this tea from hands of a jaijii means obscenity and dishonor.
Please, in future, stay away from Caldari affairs and know your place, jaijii !

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Vikarion
Doomheim
#167 - 2013-06-22 05:23:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Korsavius wrote:
Regardless, if Kim ever changes her mind and does wish to partake in the Tea Maker ceremony, I will be more than honored to administer it to her.

The ceremony is conducted by Caldari for Caldari. To take this tea from hands of a jaijii means obscenity and dishonor.
Please, in future, stay away from Caldari affairs and know your place, jaijii !


Oh, and, by the way, you're a damn fool too. If Korsavius wishes to be Caldari, and live as Caldari, he's just as much one as you are, Achuran. Or I am.
Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#168 - 2013-06-22 05:35:19 UTC
I missed a couple pages; What's all this talk of having Kim drink tea? She may be a bit misguided following Heth, and there are certainly idealogical differences between her and most of us (I will grant she is racist and abrasive), but I haven't seen her do anything that warrants the Tea Maker's ceremony, she has served the State with distinction and honor as far as I can tell.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#169 - 2013-06-22 05:38:06 UTC
Vikarion wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Korsavius wrote:
Regardless, if Kim ever changes her mind and does wish to partake in the Tea Maker ceremony, I will be more than honored to administer it to her.

The ceremony is conducted by Caldari for Caldari. To take this tea from hands of a jaijii means obscenity and dishonor.
Please, in future, stay away from Caldari affairs and know your place, jaijii !


Oh, and, by the way, you're a damn fool too. If Korsavius wishes to be Caldari, and live as Caldari, he's just as much one as you are, Achuran. Or I am.

My blood is Caldari and I have tasted the tea already.
You know what, if Mr. Korsavius thinks he is Caldari, how about we offer him a cup to let Maker decide if he is Caldari or not.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#170 - 2013-06-22 06:26:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Heiian is more subtle than merely taking up arms in the name of the State. It is the sacrifice of self-interest for the greater good.

If working for the good of my people comes at the expense of being excoriated by Vikarion, I'll take that as an indication that I'm doing good. My objective is the prosperity of the State, not the approbation of its warmongers.

And Diana - being Caldari is not a genetic thing, it's a merit thing. Get used to that idea and accept that you don't have to like somebody in order for them to be your kirjuun.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#171 - 2013-06-22 06:48:18 UTC
I should state that despite the bad-feeling that preparations for the Third Battle of Caldari Prime caused, in many of the subsequent actions, including the attack on Templis Dragonaur forces, I was proud to serve alongside and, once, under the command of Katrina Oniseki-haani.

I-RED have acted against the Executor, earlier than the rest of us.

I would prefer to see them in the Warzone, of course, but I can understand why they might not have wanted to take the CPD's money.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#172 - 2013-06-22 11:55:36 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Vikarion wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Korsavius wrote:
Regardless, if Kim ever changes her mind and does wish to partake in the Tea Maker ceremony, I will be more than honored to administer it to her.

The ceremony is conducted by Caldari for Caldari. To take this tea from hands of a jaijii means obscenity and dishonor.
Please, in future, stay away from Caldari affairs and know your place, jaijii !


Oh, and, by the way, you're a damn fool too. If Korsavius wishes to be Caldari, and live as Caldari, he's just as much one as you are, Achuran. Or I am.

My blood is Caldari and I have tasted the tea already.
You know what, if Mr. Korsavius thinks he is Caldari, how about we offer him a cup to let Maker decide if he is Caldari or not.


Yes, you have partaken of the tea, and it was part of what put you in a hospital, Kim, even in the minuscule dose you received. I was there to see the aftermath, much to my continued chagrin, and heard it from both of you shameful examples, if you remember correctly... I'll spare the indignity of identifying the situation or the other involved. It's disgusting enough to know about it. More so that I know what was done, and why, from start to ridiculous finish.

Caldari is a way of life, not a set of genetics. Any real Caldari learns this as a child, and honors it, as well as those who embrace the Way. If it was genes, you'd only half qualify (yes, I know you're half-Civire, since you've tried to use that as justification for stupidity like this before), since the blood of the original Caldari came from Caldari Prime. Nobody is any less Caldari by your decree, and never will be made less by it either. You only debase yourself, as I've seen you do countless times before in long, public declarations of support for a traitor, terrorist, and coward named Tibus Heth.

Yes, I'm a simple, unremarkable pilot calling you out on your rampant idiocy. I couldn't care less what you think as of late, Kim, but I want to make it perfectly clear how FAR from an example of our ideal you are to me at times like this, regardless of your accomplishments in the name of the State... Calling out a man who chooses to live as a Caldari should, on the basis of blood alone, when yours doesn't make the mark by the same standards you so loudly put forth.

While I find your combat record admirable in service rendered to the State, your constant hypocrisy regarding fellow citizens, and continual airing of your love of an enemy of the Caldari State, a man who murdered a true hero for refusing to obliterate Home, are impossible to find anything but loathsome. All the more in that you've learned nothing from it all, quite clearly.

I'm one of many who has offered you support, advice, and aid in what was clearly a difficult time for you in these past few weeks, as your loyalties were let down... And here, I see I wasted my time, a prospect that is repugnant, at best. In my final words of urging, never to be repeated... It's time to take a step back and see what you're shoveling, before it buries you completely. And perhaps decide what it's really worth to continue supporting the man whose repaid you by tucking tail and running when his time to meet the Maker came calling, since that's what started everything that resulted in a chunk being cut out of you, literally, in a pointless, meaningless, senseless duel that, in the end, changed nothing.

That's all I have to say to you, nor will I waste any time that is far better spent against enemies of the State, lowly and lofty, in any of your melodramatic, self-justifying scraps, such as what's landed you in intensive care, again. Such is a pirates way. A common criminals means. Are you a Gurista, Kim? Last I checked, such wasn't the case, so you don't have that excuse for such a far reaching lack of integrity.

For the rest of you, Vikarion, Korsavius, any fellow citizens of the State... Rikaato, for your service to the State in whatever capacities you fulfill, and the example you set.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#173 - 2013-06-22 15:09:39 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

I-RED have acted against the Executor, earlier than the rest of us.

It was a treason, Tuulinen-haan. Unfortunately, now acting against the Executor is not treason anymore, but back then it was a treason.
Luckily, myself, I have never acted against the Executor, and, I hope, I will never have to. But the veil of darkness has covered the future of the State in last days. Nobody knows what the Winds will throw at us, and there will be hard decisions to make for all of us.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#174 - 2013-06-22 15:50:50 UTC
Evidence indicates that, at this time, acting in support of former executor Heth is treasonous pilot Kim.

We Return

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#175 - 2013-06-22 16:02:46 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:

Yes, you have partaken of the tea, and it was part of what put you in a hospital, Kim, even in the minuscule dose you received. I was there to see the aftermath, much to my continued chagrin, and heard it from both of you shameful examples, if you remember correctly... I'll spare the indignity of identifying the situation or the other involved. It's disgusting enough to know about it. More so that I know what was done, and why, from start to ridiculous finish.

I am not ashamed of what I did, Ishikari-haani. I am ashamed of what I haven't done.

Saya Ishikari wrote:

Caldari is a way of life, not a set of genetics. Any real Caldari learns this as a child, and honors it, as well as those who embrace the Way. If it was genes, you'd only half qualify (yes, I know you're half-Civire, since you've tried to use that as justification for stupidity like this before), since the blood of the original Caldari came from Caldari Prime. Nobody is any less Caldari by your decree, and never will be made less by it either.

I was talking about jaijii, who was telling about loyalty to the State with one words, but acting against the State by deeds and another words. If he were real Caldari, he would be traitor. If he isn't, then he is just an enemy of the State. Still, he talks about 'being Caldari'. Thus I suggest, let the Maker decide.

Saya Ishikari wrote:
You only debase yourself, as I've seen you do countless times before in long, public declarations of support for a traitor, terrorist, and coward named Tibus Heth.

Heth-haan is still hero of the State. Although I do not agree with everything he does, his merits and achievements are undeniable. He has made for the State more than any other man. You should have shown him respect, instead of calling names.

Saya Ishikari wrote:

Yes, I'm a simple, unremarkable pilot calling you out on your rampant idiocy. I couldn't care less what you think as of late, Kim, but I want to make it perfectly clear how FAR from an example of our ideal you are to me at times like this, regardless of your accomplishments in the name of the State... Calling out a man who chooses to live as a Caldari should, on the basis of blood alone, when yours doesn't make the mark by the same standards you so loudly put forth.

I do not pretend to be an ideal or example for you. I am not a politician. I am not a priestess. I am just a soldier with a task of eliminating enemies of the State. I am a monster, Ishikari-haani, and I am doing it so others don't have to become monsters and do this job. And no, I do not judge peoples by blood alone, with exception to those, who have gallentean filth running through their veins. What you thought about judgement by blood alone, in fact was not. You really should dig deeper into the situation before calling someone else's "idiocy" without understanding what is going on by yourself. It doesn't give you merit, you know.

Saya Ishikari wrote:

Are you a Gurista, Kim?

Despite I have been calling like that several times, I am not. I serve the State.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#176 - 2013-06-22 16:11:59 UTC
John Revenent wrote:
Makoto Priano wrote:
Vikarion-haan, I think we've -all- lost the thread, here.

It is not my duty, nor anyone else's duty, to tell Diana Kim what she should do.

However, it is beholden to us to pay mind to her actions and deeds. Not a week gone, she was calling those who opposed Heth traitors and terrorists. Now, Heth is a fugitive from the State. Now, we should be wary -- not to drive her away, nor to control her, but to ensure that the beast in our midst is hound, not wolf.

For myself, that is all I wish to see here, and all I think reasonable to discuss.

Beyond that, many, MANY of those of us who participate in the Summit have an atrocious excess of ego. It does none of us any justice. Indeed, it blinds us to what is just.




(Though I would be curious to see that mail about the Shiigeru. That was before I joined the Enforcement Directive, so...)


You too will learn to ignore Vikarion. He likes to rant about Ishukone-Raata like he knows anything of the slightest about our organization, or Ishukone.


He's not wrong~
Vikarion
Doomheim
#177 - 2013-06-22 16:45:31 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
If working for the good of my people comes at the expense of being excoriated by Vikarion, I'll take that as an indication that I'm doing good. My objective is the prosperity of the State, not the approbation of its warmongers.


The only way you can say that the current conversation is about the good of your people (and I'm sure you want all the best for the Minmatar) is if acting self-righteous is somehow in aid of that. I rather doubt that.

My point is that, when it comes even to your stated aims, such as the removal of Heth, and the defense of the Caldari State, there are so many people who have done so much more than you that you ought to be silent until such time as you match some of your actions to words.

And I doubt that making the Republic - a dedicated enemy of the State - stronger is going to serve the State. Because the stronger you make them, the more of them we see in Black Rise.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#178 - 2013-06-22 21:55:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
I have in fact done precisely zip to strengthen the Republic. Not a jot. To the point where it's something of a sticking point with my corporation that my presence makes it harder for us to anchor highsec towers. Low standing, you see.

I don't run missions for the Republic, I don't aid them militarily. My corp does, and I don't stop them, but I'm an industrialist and a cultural ambassador. I'm in the Republic to serve Caldari interests, not Minmatar ones, and have never made any secret of the fact. It's been something of an obstacle to friendly relations with some Minmatar corporations and individuals.

If you're going to accuse me, Vikarion, accuse me of the things I really have done, whatever they may be. I won't be lectured on Heiian by somebody with such a shallow concept of it.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Vikarion
Doomheim
#179 - 2013-06-23 00:56:18 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
I have in fact done precisely zip to strengthen the Republic. Not a jot. To the point where it's something of a sticking point with my corporation that my presence makes it harder for us to anchor highsec towers. Low standing, you see.

I don't run missions for the Republic, I don't aid them militarily. My corp does, and I don't stop them, but I'm an industrialist and a cultural ambassador. I'm in the Republic to serve Caldari interests, not Minmatar ones, and have never made any secret of the fact. It's been something of an obstacle to friendly relations with some Minmatar corporations and individuals.

If you're going to accuse me, Vikarion, accuse me of the things I really have done, whatever they may be. I won't be lectured on Heiian by somebody with such a shallow concept of it.


A) Do you or do you not serve your corporation? And does your corporation, or does it not, seek to increase the military and economic capabilities of the Republic? If it does not, certain of your corporation have been less than truthful. If it does, then you are making a distinction without a difference.

B) My point is that, when it comes even to your stated aims, such as the removal of Heth, and the defense of the Caldari State, there are so many people who have done so much more than you that you ought to be silent until such time as you match some of your actions to words. You have been notably absent from most of the situations where the State desperately needed its pilots.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#180 - 2013-06-23 01:34:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Like hell I've been absent. I've been there for every single one. Get your head out of your backside.

And yes, I AM neglecting my obligations to my corporation right now. I've neglected them by spending my time in the State and in Luminaire doing the exact things you're accusing me of not doing.

Like I said, if you're going to level accusations at me, level the ones I actually warrant.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders