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Religion and Eve - A petition

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#141 - 2013-06-22 15:22:22 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
We do. The fact that no one is stopping us means we still have that freedom for now...
…except that they are stopping us. So yeah, no.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#142 - 2013-06-22 15:23:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Because they choose not to follow the "simple" rule.
So basically, you're saying that just a bunch of unrepentant griefers — they could easily follow the rules, but they're a bunch of [lower backs] and don't because they don't feel like it. Would you say that there is any way to stop them short of simply banning them completely?

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If its such a"simple" it should not cause such a commotion.
Non sequitur.
The rule is ridiculously simple: don't bring religion into the game. What's causing the commotion has nothing to do with the simplicity of that rule, but with the apparent chronic inability of some people to follow it, and having no excuse for what they do. The rule does not cause any commotion at all; obnoxious behaviour does.


Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills? Religion in the game does not bother me one bit.

Just like when individuals do things that are against naming conventions that are some what offense to others doesn't bother me.

There is only a small percentage of people that get offended at religion. Its like schools banning peanuts cause one kid has allergies, its insane. Big smile

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#143 - 2013-06-22 15:26:36 UTC
I have to agree with the OP.

If it is not EVE related it really has no business in game (at least not public chat channels or on cans in space.
This means RL politics / religions / national items / sports and yes by right that includes holidays like X-Mas.


I realize people mean well, but like everything there is a time and a place where things are appropriate.
These things are not appropriate, you can discuss them in private channels all you want.

What should be done about the cans.
They should be simply removed.

Priority for removal , LOW.

Let me say this again this is not about freedom of speech or whatever it is about a time and a place for what is appropriate.
IF people can't understand it then they need to go back to school.

On a side note personally I could care less I have cans removed from my overview anyways cause they are filled with nothing but garbage anyways.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#144 - 2013-06-22 15:28:36 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills?
People breaking the rules of the game are really that obnoxious, yes. So much so that they have an entire staff division allocated to dealing with these kinds of people.

…and again, the question is: why is it so hard to just follow the rules? Especially when the rule in question is so ridiculously simple?
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#145 - 2013-06-22 15:28:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
We do. The fact that no one is stopping us means we still have that freedom for now...
…except that they are stopping us. So yeah, no.

People are STILL doing it....so how are they stopped?

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#146 - 2013-06-22 15:29:45 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:

Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills? Religion in the game does not bother me one bit.

Just like when individuals do things that are against naming conventions that are some what offense to others doesn't bother me.

There is only a small percentage of people that get offended at religion. Its like schools banning peanuts cause one kid has allergies, its insane. Big smile




The proof is the amount of arguing this thread contains.

Religion doesnt bother you because you are a religious person though.

The ban on religion in the game isnt due to religion's inherent harmfulness, its down to the fact it creates arguments and unresolvable debates like this one

Politics are banned for the same reason
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#147 - 2013-06-22 15:30:41 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
We do. The fact that no one is stopping us means we still have that freedom for now...
…except that they are stopping us. So yeah, no.

People are STILL doing it....so how are they stopped?


Your point of view suggests that murder is a right as no one prevents you from doing it at the time
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#148 - 2013-06-22 15:32:16 UTC
People argue politics for hours in chat...

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#149 - 2013-06-22 15:35:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills?
People breaking the rules of the game are really that obnoxious, yes. So much so that they have an entire staff division allocated to dealing with these kinds of people.

…and again, the question is: why is it so hard to just follow the rules? Especially when the rule in question is so ridiculously simple?


I assume you drive a car or have driven a car. When you go 5 mph/kph over the speed limit you are breaking a rule, do you think you should be arrested and fined? You are offending the gov't by not following its rules. Even though its such a simple rule, just follow the speed limit. Point being is, we all break rules, and some rules are more important than others. And, in this instance the rule in question is trivial at best. Now if every system was littered with religious material and every person named their ship religious that would be a problem.

But that is not whats happening.

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#150 - 2013-06-22 15:35:18 UTC
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
We do. The fact that no one is stopping us means we still have that freedom for now...
…except that they are stopping us. So yeah, no.

People are STILL doing it....so how are they stopped?


Your point of view suggests that murder is a right as no one prevents you from doing it at the time

Sorry but you didn't read my posts. I said specifically it is NOT a right. But it is a freedom. Big difference...People are free to murder if they choose to, they just have to understand the price...

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#151 - 2013-06-22 15:36:57 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Doc Severide wrote:
We do. The fact that no one is stopping us means we still have that freedom for now...
…except that they are stopping us. So yeah, no.

People are STILL doing it....so how are they stopped?


Your point of view suggests that murder is a right as no one prevents you from doing it at the time

Sorry but you didn't read my posts. I said specifically it is NOT a right. But it is a freedom. Big difference...People are free to murder if they choose to, they just have to understand the price...



????

A" freedom"? WTF is that? By that definition everything is "a freedom"
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#152 - 2013-06-22 15:38:19 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills?
People breaking the rules of the game are really that obnoxious, yes. So much so that they have an entire staff division allocated to dealing with these kinds of people.

…and again, the question is: why is it so hard to just follow the rules? Especially when the rule in question is so ridiculously simple?


I assume you drive a car or have driven a car. When you go 5 mph/kph over the speed limit you are breaking a rule, do you think you should be arrested and fined? You are offending the gov't by not following its rules. Even though its such a simple rule, just follow the speed limit. Point being is, we all break rules, and some rules are more important than others. And, in this instance the rule in question is trivial at best. Now if every system was littered with religious material and every person named their ship religious that would be a problem.

But that is not whats happening.


5mph is the difference between an injured child and crippled or dead child in a traffic accident

that isnt trivial
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#153 - 2013-06-22 15:40:36 UTC
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills?
People breaking the rules of the game are really that obnoxious, yes. So much so that they have an entire staff division allocated to dealing with these kinds of people.

…and again, the question is: why is it so hard to just follow the rules? Especially when the rule in question is so ridiculously simple?


I assume you drive a car or have driven a car. When you go 5 mph/kph over the speed limit you are breaking a rule, do you think you should be arrested and fined? You are offending the gov't by not following its rules. Even though its such a simple rule, just follow the speed limit. Point being is, we all break rules, and some rules are more important than others. And, in this instance the rule in question is trivial at best. Now if every system was littered with religious material and every person named their ship religious that would be a problem.

But that is not whats happening.


5mph is the difference between an injured child and crippled or dead child in a traffic accident

that isnt trivial


So your a saint and never speed and totally stop at stop signs, and you call people who have faith hypocrites? Smile

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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#154 - 2013-06-22 15:41:07 UTC
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:

????

A" freedom"? WTF is that? By that definition everything is "a freedom"

Exactly....Everything...

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...
Avon
#155 - 2013-06-22 15:42:22 UTC
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:


5mph is the difference between an injured child and crippled or dead child in a traffic accident

that isnt trivial



That's a good point - an injured child could make an effective witness and may even remember your car's plates.

The lesson here seems to be, if you are going to break the rules do it properly.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#156 - 2013-06-22 15:44:12 UTC
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills?
People breaking the rules of the game are really that obnoxious, yes. So much so that they have an entire staff division allocated to dealing with these kinds of people.

…and again, the question is: why is it so hard to just follow the rules? Especially when the rule in question is so ridiculously simple?


I assume you drive a car or have driven a car. When you go 5 mph/kph over the speed limit you are breaking a rule, do you think you should be arrested and fined? You are offending the gov't by not following its rules. Even though its such a simple rule, just follow the speed limit. Point being is, we all break rules, and some rules are more important than others. And, in this instance the rule in question is trivial at best. Now if every system was littered with religious material and every person named their ship religious that would be a problem.

But that is not whats happening.


5mph is the difference between an injured child and crippled or dead child in a traffic accident

that isnt trivial

Sorry, I don't buy into the common notion that a childs life is more important than anyone elses...

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#157 - 2013-06-22 15:46:27 UTC
Kult Altol wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills?
People breaking the rules of the game are really that obnoxious, yes. So much so that they have an entire staff division allocated to dealing with these kinds of people.

…and again, the question is: why is it so hard to just follow the rules? Especially when the rule in question is so ridiculously simple?


I assume you drive a car or have driven a car. When you go 5 mph/kph over the speed limit you are breaking a rule, do you think you should be arrested and fined? You are offending the gov't by not following its rules. Even though its such a simple rule, just follow the speed limit. Point being is, we all break rules, and some rules are more important than others. And, in this instance the rule in question is trivial at best. Now if every system was littered with religious material and every person named their ship religious that would be a problem.

But that is not whats happening.


5mph is the difference between an injured child and crippled or dead child in a traffic accident

that isnt trivial


So your a saint and never speed and totally stop at stop signs, and you call people who have faith hypocrites? Smile


I dont recall calling anyone that?

And I dont drive.
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#158 - 2013-06-22 15:47:08 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Is it REALLY that obnoxious or all people making mountains out of molehills?
People breaking the rules of the game are really that obnoxious, yes. So much so that they have an entire staff division allocated to dealing with these kinds of people.

…and again, the question is: why is it so hard to just follow the rules? Especially when the rule in question is so ridiculously simple?


I assume you drive a car or have driven a car. When you go 5 mph/kph over the speed limit you are breaking a rule, do you think you should be arrested and fined? You are offending the gov't by not following its rules. Even though its such a simple rule, just follow the speed limit. Point being is, we all break rules, and some rules are more important than others. And, in this instance the rule in question is trivial at best. Now if every system was littered with religious material and every person named their ship religious that would be a problem.

But that is not whats happening.


5mph is the difference between an injured child and crippled or dead child in a traffic accident

that isnt trivial

Sorry, I don't buy into the common notion that a childs life is more important than anyone elses...


Then replace the word child with person. Whatever, that wasnt the point.
Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#159 - 2013-06-22 15:47:38 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:

????

A" freedom"? WTF is that? By that definition everything is "a freedom"

Exactly....Everything...


So, a meaningless word then

Cool
Wodensun
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#160 - 2013-06-22 15:48:41 UTC
Yanno I actually like it... Adds some flavor to what would otherwise be a boring trip. But then again them messages merely amuse me, I mean which other game has space jehovahs going round trying to convert us?

Do not give me likes them 101 likes arent a accident...