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9/10's and exploration
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yugi272
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2013-06-21 10:10:18 UTC
Since you gave us explorers something new in the form of the new mini profession sites for which i am thankful, and i see it as a way to get people to actually leave highsec as you don't have to be a year+ old toon anymore to actually be able to go rat in null if you want to.
Basicly i love that you opened exploration up for a bunch of noobs in highsec and that its now freely available for anyone "daring to traverse vast expanses of space in search of riches" :D

But along to my point

Since we got these new shiny sites, why didn't we get the 9/10's, players regard the dread guristas fleet staging point as a 9/10 more or less but could we get them like really as new complexes with loot tables and so on..
I mean it shouldn't be that hard adding in a new cool complex for each faction..

Blue reply please :D
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-06-21 13:18:34 UTC
yugi272 wrote:


Since we got these new shiny sites, why didn't we get the 9/10's, players regard the dread guristas fleet staging point as a 9/10 more or less but could we get them like really as new complexes with loot tables and so on..
I mean it shouldn't be that hard adding in a new cool complex for each faction..

Blue reply please :D


It's not the players who see Fleet Staging Point (all of them, not just the Guristas one) as the 9/10. It's CCP.

Rather than create and add a new 9/10, ccp just took an old unrated plex and turned it into the 9/10 (either during dominion or Incarna, can't remember which one). If you look at the pop up you get when you get fleet staging point from a named hub, it says clearly "DED threat level 9/10". Another change to fleet staging point is that, unlike unrated plexes (like it used to be) , it can't "fail", ie you ALWAYS get fleet staging point 2 if yo complete 1, and you ALWAYS get fleet staging point 3 if you complete 2. and where as old unrated FSP could give faction loot or deadspace loot, 9/10 FSP only gives deadspace loot (if it gives anything although sometimes all you get is the overseers affects).

When asked about it, there was even a DEV response on this forum, you can probably dig it up with a google search.

It kind of sucks because unlike REAL DED sites the Fleet Staging point/9/10 can send you all over the place. But no, CCP isn't going to put a real 9/10 into the game because of Fleet Staging Point. I get the impression that CCP like the FSP approach to escalations because it makes you go different places, exposing you to risk.
yugi272
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2013-06-21 13:27:21 UTC
So your point stands as a valid one, but why then not improve on the allready existing design and add 4 more versions of the FSP?
One for every other faction out there, i mean it's not really hard, i live in gurista space so i don't care, but it seems like it could be improved upon :P
Annunaki soldier
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-06-21 13:46:00 UTC
i get your point but they actually have much more to attend to. Look dronelands. Its just a wastland if you compare to other factions. even the anomalies give the lowest by far ticks compared to other rats. Maybe if balance on moons - ore - rats - exploration comes , then take off those titan bridges so huge fleets will actually need time to move and people be active to defend the areas , 0.0 will become less blob , better pvp and more intresting.

But then again i am dreaming and its not even night here..

Ride hard, live with passion 
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#5 - 2013-06-21 14:45:40 UTC
yugi272 wrote:
So your point stands as a valid one, but why then not improve on the allready existing design and add 4 more versions of the FSP?
One for every other faction out there, i mean it's not really hard, i live in gurista space so i don't care, but it seems like it could be improved upon :P


Wait a minute, what are you talking about?

You do know that every pirate race has a Fleet Staging point right? Blood Raiders Fleet Staging Point, True Sansha Fleet Staging Point, Shadow Serpentis Fleet Staging Point, Domination Fleet Staging Point.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2013-06-21 15:12:04 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
yugi272 wrote:
So your point stands as a valid one, but why then not improve on the allready existing design and add 4 more versions of the FSP?
One for every other faction out there, i mean it's not really hard, i live in gurista space so i don't care, but it seems like it could be improved upon :P


Wait a minute, what are you talking about?

You do know that every pirate race has a Fleet Staging point right? Blood Raiders Fleet Staging Point, True Sansha Fleet Staging Point, Shadow Serpentis Fleet Staging Point, Domination Fleet Staging Point.


This. Everyone has a pseudo-9/10. The odd one out is 6/10, where Serpentis and Angels have something resembling the 9/10 setup while the other three factions have "normal" DED complexes.

In the vague spirit of the OP though: I'd love to see a whole range of new pseudo-DEDs added at all levels. Seriously. A little extra variety in the mix would be the sort of candy that could make me forget just how ridiculous exploration is right now.
yugi272
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2013-06-21 19:51:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
yugi272 wrote:
So your point stands as a valid one, but why then not improve on the allready existing design and add 4 more versions of the FSP?
One for every other faction out there, i mean it's not really hard, i live in gurista space so i don't care, but it seems like it could be improved upon :P


Wait a minute, what are you talking about?

You do know that every pirate race has a Fleet Staging point right? Blood Raiders Fleet Staging Point, True Sansha Fleet Staging Point, Shadow Serpentis Fleet Staging Point, Domination Fleet Staging Point.


What i mean't was, add them like a standard scan-able ded site like the 6-7-8 and 10/10
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#8 - 2013-06-22 06:00:45 UTC
yugi272 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
yugi272 wrote:
So your point stands as a valid one, but why then not improve on the allready existing design and add 4 more versions of the FSP?
One for every other faction out there, i mean it's not really hard, i live in gurista space so i don't care, but it seems like it could be improved upon :P


Wait a minute, what are you talking about?

You do know that every pirate race has a Fleet Staging point right? Blood Raiders Fleet Staging Point, True Sansha Fleet Staging Point, Shadow Serpentis Fleet Staging Point, Domination Fleet Staging Point.


What i mean't was, add them like a standard scan-able ded site like the 6-7-8 and 10/10


They are scannable like all the other DEDs, or you can get them from Forsaken/Forlorn/Hidden Hubs that escalate.

Am i missing something?
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2013-06-22 09:55:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:


They are scannable like all the other DEDs, or you can get them from Forsaken/Forlorn/Hidden Hubs that escalate.

Am i missing something?


Nope, 100% accurate.

Unfortunately.
yugi272
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2013-06-23 06:32:21 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
yugi272 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
yugi272 wrote:
So your point stands as a valid one, but why then not improve on the allready existing design and add 4 more versions of the FSP?
One for every other faction out there, i mean it's not really hard, i live in gurista space so i don't care, but it seems like it could be improved upon :P


Wait a minute, what are you talking about?

You do know that every pirate race has a Fleet Staging point right? Blood Raiders Fleet Staging Point, True Sansha Fleet Staging Point, Shadow Serpentis Fleet Staging Point, Domination Fleet Staging Point.


What i mean't was, add them like a standard scan-able ded site like the 6-7-8 and 10/10


They are scannable like all the other DEDs, or you can get them from Forsaken/Forlorn/Hidden Hubs that escalate.

Am i missing something?


You obviously are, you know exactly what i mean. Either contribute properly to this discussion or simply don't reply. But as you don't seem to understand what im trying to say, i should clarify as i should have from the start. For people like you who seek mistakes or errors and then point them out like a small fat kid in the kindergarten.

My whole point was why not add 9/10's like a static complex which we allready have, like the regular 7-8 and 10/10's which can be found scanning and can be done in that system without having to jump around all over the space.

As for you Jen, please don't reply, i don't have time to sit on this forum for 24hours and reply to every topic like you, im looking for some constructive feedback, not someone who will point out to me, oh we have this but its not what you wanted.. :P
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2013-06-23 07:14:00 UTC
yugi272 wrote:
You obviously are, you know exactly what i mean. Either contribute properly to this discussion or simply don't reply. But as you don't seem to understand what im trying to say, i should clarify as i should have from the start. For people like you who seek mistakes or errors and then point them out like a small fat kid in the kindergarten.

My whole point was why not add 9/10's like a static complex which we allready have, like the regular 7-8 and 10/10's which can be found scanning and can be done in that system without having to jump around all over the space.

As for you Jen, please don't reply, i don't have time to sit on this forum for 24hours and reply to every topic like you, im looking for some constructive feedback, not someone who will point out to me, oh we have this but its not what you wanted.. :P


Kind of petulant, aren't you?

I've already said I'd like more sites, so I'm on board with that. I'm not sure there's any particular impetus to privilege developing new 9/10s over anything else though. At least they're largely balanced between factions (unlike the 6/10s I already mentioned).

What exactly would constructive feedback look like? Nothing but outright agreement?
yugi272
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2013-06-23 11:26:58 UTC
Can this be closed please, i think we cannot go any further in this discussion
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#13 - 2013-06-23 14:36:20 UTC
yugi272 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
yugi272 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
yugi272 wrote:
So your point stands as a valid one, but why then not improve on the allready existing design and add 4 more versions of the FSP?
One for every other faction out there, i mean it's not really hard, i live in gurista space so i don't care, but it seems like it could be improved upon :P


Wait a minute, what are you talking about?

You do know that every pirate race has a Fleet Staging point right? Blood Raiders Fleet Staging Point, True Sansha Fleet Staging Point, Shadow Serpentis Fleet Staging Point, Domination Fleet Staging Point.


What i mean't was, add them like a standard scan-able ded site like the 6-7-8 and 10/10


They are scannable like all the other DEDs, or you can get them from Forsaken/Forlorn/Hidden Hubs that escalate.

Am i missing something?


You obviously are, you know exactly what i mean. Either contribute properly to this discussion or simply don't reply. But as you don't seem to understand what im trying to say, i should clarify as i should have from the start. For people like you who seek mistakes or errors and then point them out like a small fat kid in the kindergarten.

My whole point was why not add 9/10's like a static complex which we allready have, like the regular 7-8 and 10/10's which can be found scanning and can be done in that system without having to jump around all over the space.

As for you Jen, please don't reply, i don't have time to sit on this forum for 24hours and reply to every topic like you, im looking for some constructive feedback, not someone who will point out to me, oh we have this but its not what you wanted.. :P


Let me guess, English isn't your 1st language. If so, you should say that upfront instead of sounding like an idiot.

You were talking about CCP adding a 9/10. I explained what CCP did regarding 9/10s and how it's unlikely they will add a true 9/10. You then said "What i mean't was, add them like a standard scan-able ded site like the 6-7-8 and 10/10", to which i explained that you aleady can with the current 9/10. The fact remains that CCP is unlikely to add a true "one site and done" 9/10.

I'm sorry you're too dumb to understand very simple things or communitcate effectively, but thats your fault, not mine.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#14 - 2013-06-23 14:41:35 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
yugi272 wrote:
You obviously are, you know exactly what i mean. Either contribute properly to this discussion or simply don't reply. But as you don't seem to understand what im trying to say, i should clarify as i should have from the start. For people like you who seek mistakes or errors and then point them out like a small fat kid in the kindergarten.

My whole point was why not add 9/10's like a static complex which we allready have, like the regular 7-8 and 10/10's which can be found scanning and can be done in that system without having to jump around all over the space.

As for you Jen, please don't reply, i don't have time to sit on this forum for 24hours and reply to every topic like you, im looking for some constructive feedback, not someone who will point out to me, oh we have this but its not what you wanted.. :P


Kind of petulant, aren't you?

I've already said I'd like more sites, so I'm on board with that. I'm not sure there's any particular impetus to privilege developing new 9/10s over anything else though. At least they're largely balanced between factions (unlike the 6/10s I already mentioned).

What exactly would constructive feedback look like? Nothing but outright agreement?


People would have to be able to understand what he's saying to be able to agree with it lol. i'ts amazing, i didn't know i was disagreeing with this smuck lol, I was jsut informing him of things he seemed to not know, like when he said "So your point stands as a valid one, but why then not improve on the allready existing design and add 4 more versions of the FSP?".

I was like "does this guy not know every pirate faction has FSP already"? Even re-reading the entire thread I'm not toally sure what this guy is one about or just WTF got him upset. Reminds me of an ex-wife or two that I've had..
yugi272
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2013-06-24 11:48:36 UTC
You are pure awsome wraped in bubbles with a bow tie :)
Willie Horton
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-06-24 12:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Willie Horton
Tbh if CCP screwed something up that is Drone combat sites.

I was hoping they will make them at least interesting to do them,but sadly no.Prizes dont need to be like Caldari ones ,but gaining something would be nice.

I really would like for some DEV to explain ,why would any new player do Drone DED 3-4 /10 more than once?I hope he will not say for few cans of tritanium and mix of other minerals.
amurder Hakomairos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-06-26 16:13:33 UTC
I'd be fine with the fleet staging point as it is if it were not the worst example of reward being grossly out of sync with effort/risk involved. To get any loot from this site you have to run 3 sites, in 3 different systems, usually spanning different nullsec regions and then bring significant tank/dps to break the station. And what do you get for that most of the time? OPE only. At least when you get screwed by the 8/10 you only spent 30 min running it. For fleet staging point I'm almost certain that in the time it takes to run it to the end I can always make more isk just grinding anoms.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#18 - 2013-06-27 01:08:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
amurder Hakomairos wrote:
I'd be fine with the fleet staging point as it is if it were not the worst example of reward being grossly out of sync with effort/risk involved. To get any loot from this site you have to run 3 sites, in 3 different systems, usually spanning different nullsec regions and then bring significant tank/dps to break the station. And what do you get for that most of the time? OPE only. At least when you get screwed by the 8/10 you only spent 30 min running it. For fleet staging point I'm almost certain that in the time it takes to run it to the end I can always make more isk just grinding anoms.


Same deal with logistics outposts vs ded 5s. Same deal vigils vs ded4s (bearing in mind highsec stuff is easier) - ded4s even have better loot too.

the fastest encounter is just a reward or an opportunity for you to cherry pick, the game isn't designed by default to just be that straight forward all the time.