Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Another simple solution would be making RIGS that grant Bay slots.

The different Industrials would then get variations of bonus to these bays capacity, and no need for a long complicated tweaking of the actual ships any further.

The really neat side effect would be that the limited edition ships, and faction variants would be easy to make interesting and better than the normal industrials. The ORE industrial would ofc get a major boost the any ORE and MINERAL BAY, and better than existing T1. So 4% bonus to specific bay type per level, where it would be 5% or 6% on say interbus or SOE version etc..

Ideally small, medium and large BAY RIG would go on only industrial ships ofc, but small for the venture, primae, and noctis, and medium for Industrials, and large for Rorqual and Orca.

Might even allow the BAY-RIGs to go on more ship types and make it a whole new modular way of purposing ships.

I'm late to this party, but some thoughts I had while trying to catch up :)

Why not consider using the "extra" haulers as specialized transports that can hold mass quantities of certain types of goods? For example, instead of a 25k m3 generic cargo hold, what if the Iteron Mk. IV had a 50k m3 ore hold (perfect for those mining ops?)

This could be expanded further of course, but if I think about the things that we use haulers for today or have in the past, I get the following list:

- Moving ore from mining barges to POS/station during mining ops, or moving bulk ore/goods OUT of a wormhole to a station in high-sec (far more mass efficient than orca, even if it takes far more trips)
- Picking up PI goods from customs offices and moving it around.
- Doing "quick pickups" for goods in high-sec when we don't need the cargo capacity of a freighter. The align time on the Orca (slower than a freighter!) really makes it less efficient for high-sec transport unless you have a really long way to go in it.
- Running courier missions when you need a midsize cargo hold.
- Carrying extra ammo for fleet resupply during fleet ops (warp hauler to safe, possibly cloak it, fleet comes to safe to rearm)
- Deploying POSes and POS modules.


The list wouldn't be complete without what we use the T2s for:

Blockade Runners:
- Moving high-value, low volume stuff through any security space, due to unscannable/cloak/fast/align
- Resupply in gatecamp/wardec situations, where you know people are waiting to pounce.

Transport Ships:
- Hauling during mining ops in non-secure space (due to natural +2 warp strength and added tank)


I don't think it would be a huge stretch to see different types of industrials focused on certain types of activities, instead of just the two roles currently envisioned. I think this would also allow for more T2 hulls in the future if taken to its logical conclusion.

Just my 2 Iskies on the subject :)

While I appreciate that the mammoth will continue to have a designated, CCP-endorsed role in the game I have to say that it falling to the wayside as the hoarder takes over the heavy hauling role might not have been a bad thing. I've always felt that the mammoth looks a lot more like a battlecruiser, or even a "heavy" cruiser, than a lot of other ships in the game. It's ugly and blocky, but it also looks like it could sport multiple turrets or launchers and break several kneecaps.

While turning the mammoth into a combat ship instead of a hauler is unlikely to say the least I would still like to use it to springboard a suggestion that "combat industrials" become a defined, official role. Specifically these ships ought to receive one weapon bonus for small turrets and/or launchers, 3 or 4 high slots, and one mobility or, perhaps, tank (2.5%/level shield/armor/hull or shield/armor resistance for example, something useful but not in the same league as on combat ships) bonus. They should pack less cargo than the other two hulls and less base EHP than the dedicated "defensive" hauler.

Basically I'd like to see them have the potential to have 75%-80% of a frigate's firepower, 50-75% of a frigate's "tank," a decent enough hauling capacity to make them worthwhile, and a price tag to dissuade people from using them as low-level mission/complex/whatever runners.

Just a thought.

Been trying to push that idea and thought for the longest. Nobody fancies it (other than us two :D!)
And there could still be a hauler variant and a combat variant. It is apparently too complicated for others to imagine, as well as to just give a decent all-rounder hauler. t2 will have more than enough of an advantage once tiericide hits the higher brackets.

My idea that would let people customize any of the haulers however they wish

why not instead of having a fixed base cargo size.

why not make a cargo bay mod

so without the cargo bay mod there would be 0 base cargo space.

you add 1 cargo bay mod you gain say 5k or 8k m3
you add 2 cargo bays you have another 5k or 8k m3

also since you have created seperate holds on Ore ships

you could turn similar into mods


so you could have cargo bay mod, Ore hold mod, Drone bay mod

so in your low slots you could really customize your industrial similar in style to t3 ships

so say you had 5 low slots you could do like 1 cargo bay mod, 2 ore hold mods and damage control and some other low slot mod

or they could add all 5 ore hold mods leaving 0 cargo space

or they could have 4 cargo bays and 1 cargo expander

or whatever you get the basic idea.....



turn the actual bonuses into fittings, so you could have full customization of the role of the indy. Swap out cargo bays and add Ore holds, or heck want to add a little offense drop a drone bay in, or mix it up :)


I think it would be pretty cool to customize your indy's that way.



anyhow probably crazy idea, it is after 1am here, sleepy and rambling...

thanks for listening about the mammoth ccp rise/ art department.



i luff the ship

Move all the racial industrials to interbus (i.e. excluding the Noctis, ORE Industrial) or maybe split them between interbus and ORE, in addition to the transport ships, freighters and jump freighters.
Then interbus can modifiy the ships and give them different roles (if they want to)

a) max. cargo - one high slot
b) mining support - two high slots (e.g. cloak and tractor or salvager and tractor) - possible ORE industrial
c) fleet support - ship maintenance + fleet hangar (something like a mobile fitting plattform)
d) scan resistant cargo hold - the name
e) agile/fast hauler
f) tanky hauler
g) exploration hauler - two high slots and scanning bonus

When it comes down to moving ships, introduce a way to immobilize a ship (similar to courier contract, just without having to setting up a contract). The. the ship becomes valid cargo for freighters and could be mobilized again given a station or ship maintenance bay (at a POS or in a ship).

No haulers with racial touch, i.e. no logistic (repping) or electronic warfare hauler

Idea behind:
Racial ship skillis for "combat" ships including repping and boosts
Faction ship skills (currently only OREand possibly interbus) for non-combat, e.g mining and possibly hauling & hauling

edit: you could combine this idea with the proposed one, just spread the additional haulers of gallente and minmatar to interbus/ORE

@CCP_Rise - Why not add an ore hold to the industrials that don't have a clearly defined role and voila! You got ore/mining haulers.

Why are you removing 1 utility high slot?

You are killing the use of those big haulers in W-Space! It's mandatory to fit cloak and probe launcher - you may not know, but there are no star gates ;)