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+1 CCP on ship rebalance
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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#1 - 2013-06-21 16:07:03 UTC
http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=top20 I have never seen a "flatter" Top 20 list on eve-kill. +1 guys.
PavlikX
Scan Stakan
HOLD MY PROBS
#2 - 2013-06-21 18:48:27 UTC
Oh yeah
1st Caldari
2nd Caldari
3rd Caldari
4th Caldari
5th Minmatar
6th Minmatar
7th Minmatar
8th Galente
9th Minmatar
10th Amarr
11th Minmatar
12th Minmatar
13th Minmatar
14th Minmatar
15th Galente
16th Amarr
17th Galente
18th Amarr
19th Minmatar
20th Minmatar

Yeaaaahhh. Very balanced Lol
Best cruiser, t3 cruiser, BS, ABC - Caldari
Most often used 10 Minmatar ships
And 3 ships to the Galente and Amarr each....
I will not put -1000 only because entire rebalance is not over yet

PS Best pilot is Russian ;)
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#3 - 2013-06-21 18:51:09 UTC

I think CCP is doing a great job on ship rebalancing!!!
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#4 - 2013-06-21 18:59:07 UTC
To be fair he said it's the flattest it's ever been, not that it's totally flat.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-06-21 21:13:15 UTC
PavlikX wrote:
Oh yeah
1st Caldari
2nd Caldari
3rd Caldari
4th Caldari
5th Minmatar
6th Minmatar
7th Minmatar
8th Galente
9th Minmatar
10th Amarr
11th Minmatar
12th Minmatar
13th Minmatar
14th Minmatar
15th Galente
16th Amarr
17th Galente
18th Amarr
19th Minmatar
20th Minmatar

Yeaaaahhh. Very balanced Lol
Best cruiser, t3 cruiser, BS, ABC - Caldari
Most often used 10 Minmatar ships
And 3 ships to the Galente and Amarr each....
I will not put -1000 only because entire rebalance is not over yet

PS Best pilot is Russian ;)



Hint: virtually everything on that list are ships used as the main parts of nullsec fleet doctrines. CCP aren't responsible for those.
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#6 - 2013-06-21 21:21:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
and look at all the whiners on the HM nerf.Roll It certainly destroyed the use of them.

Ah so it has been range all a long, which is why Caracals and Tengus. Who could have predicted that.

Anyway, yes it is flatter. i.e. we don't have the top ship outnumbering the second ship by a factor of 2 or 3 (tears for all those drakes). Of course all those drake pilots just migrated to Caracals and Tengus. Caldari in the top 4 slots now is not balance. No longer a ship imbalance now a racial imbalance. So have we really fixed anything?

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
#7 - 2013-06-21 21:24:33 UTC
wait a couple of months and you'll see even more missile ships: navi scorpions for sure, maybe ravens and typhoons

Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#8 - 2013-06-21 21:59:43 UTC
There was more diversity in the top 20 prior to the rebalancing, 3 amarr ships, the empress will not be happy...

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Gorgoth24
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-06-21 22:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorgoth24
Tbh, Tengu will get epic nerfed when T3 rebalance rolls around.

Top 20 Explained

Top 5 dominated by caldari b/c caldari have superior range and reliability (so they're used by 0.0 blocs and therefore dominate the top 5) Caldari should remain with superior range and reliability +1 to balance (minus the tengu, aforementioned)

Top 20 have more Minmatar ships overall. Minmatar ships are supposed to be more versatile, and were the last "king race", which makes sense

Top 20 have **** for Amarr/Gallente. Gallente can be explained b/c the majority are supposed to be small gang ships and not gross much in numbers

Amarr is continually being rebalanced, and is low because of the double nerf by resistance bonuses hurting their most popular ships and rebalancing ******* up their cap usage. When the pulse/lasors get rebalanced we will see more of them, and the inevitable buff to HACs will probably make the Zealot a monster again.

So, overall, numbers are flatter and what we see in the top 20 makes sense for once. +1 overall to CCP balancing
Naomi Anthar
#10 - 2013-06-21 22:25:15 UTC
Well but we gonna still see topics and posts of people saying how Amarr ships are good for fleet.

Oh wait they are not that good !!! They are neither good for solo.(worst of all)

But keep trying to convince me.

As previous poster mentioned - gallente ships are often solo /small gang so abscene of those may be understandable. As i think gallente ships are good - not overpowered . Not good for fleets tho (most of the time, not always) and so they will never be kings of killboards ... but they are good. I do like them. Not trying to say they got no issues - because they do , but overral they are fun and unique - while remain good choice for low scale pvp.

Caldari and Minmatar is faceroll - for both small scale pvp and big scale pvp - obviously races with selectable damage type are way to go. Against Amarr you can mount EM wards/hardeners and laugh your ass if you know they are coming (hey intel does exist). And many other advantages i won't mention.

I'm waiting patiently for buffs of lasers - hopefully nerf to resistances and overral bad performance of amarr ships will be somewhat compensated during modules rebalance.
On the other hand when i look at nos changes i'm in serious doubt ...
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#11 - 2013-06-21 22:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Deacon Abox
Gorgoth24 wrote:
Top 20 Explained

Top 5 dominated by caldari b/c caldari have superior range and reliability (so they're used by 0.0 blocs and therefore dominate the top 5) Caldari should remain with superior range and reliability +1 to balance (minus the tengu, aforementioned)

Top 20 have more Minmatar ships overall. Minmatar ships are supposed to be more versatile, and were the last "king race", which makes sense

Rather unsupported use of simple adjectives. "Reliability" what does that mean exactly in your thesis? Are you talking about resist bonuses here? Are you talking about lack of dedicated ewar to counter missiles?

Another explanation, missile boats have high volley and capless weapons. Missile boats use mids for tanking and one prop mod. Lows get damage mods. The only thing that interferes with these easy fitting (lack of) decisions is maybe a cap mod or two so you can perma mwd. Tackle is outsourced in fleets.

As for Minmatar, it is easily explained by mobility and alpha (oh and cap-less weapons again).

So really I don't see how the predominance of mobility, range, and volley damage have been "rebalanced" yet.

edit- just look at the two other Caldari ships that make up the top 4. They are not missile boats. But, they each shield tank (mobility) and have 10% per level range bonuses on their guns.

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Vassal Zeren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-21 22:56:48 UTC
Gorgoth24 wrote:
Tbh, Tengu will get epic nerfed when T3 rebalance rolls around.


You just stabbed me right in the Tengu.

A bad analogy is like a leaky screwdriver.
To mare
Advanced Technology
#13 - 2013-06-22 01:02:35 UTC
Gorgoth24 wrote:
Tbh, Tengu will get epic nerfed when T3 rebalance rolls around.

Top 20 Explained

Top 5 dominated by caldari b/c caldari have superior range and reliability (so they're used by 0.0 blocs and therefore dominate the top 5) Caldari should remain with superior range and reliability +1 to balance (minus the tengu, aforementioned)

Top 20 have more Minmatar ships overall. Minmatar ships are supposed to be more versatile, and were the last "king race", which makes sense

Top 20 have **** for Amarr/Gallente. Gallente can be explained b/c the majority are supposed to be small gang ships and not gross much in numbers

Amarr is continually being rebalanced, and is low because of the double nerf by resistance bonuses hurting their most popular ships and rebalancing ******* up their cap usage. When the pulse/lasors get rebalanced we will see more of them, and the inevitable buff to HACs will probably make the Zealot a monster again.

So, overall, numbers are flatter and what we see in the top 20 makes sense for once. +1 overall to CCP balancing

of course amarr got its resist bonus nerfed but caldari ships are reliable because of their resist bonus, make sense
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-22 03:14:03 UTC
Yeah, Caldari missileboats are reliable in pvp... Reliably slowboating and doing no dmg. Lol

That list is on how many ppl had what SP trained over the past years and happen to get on kms...
Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#15 - 2013-06-22 03:33:18 UTC
your post makes no sense. So you are saying the heavy missile boat use is simply because that's all all those people have trained? That's quite an assumption.Roll

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.