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Orcas no longer allowed in 3/10 and 4/10

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Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#21 - 2013-06-21 12:29:59 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
People are still whining about T3s in 4/10s? There are other ships that can still enter them that are perfectly capable of tanking the site, AND deal more damage (thus running the site quicker).

It's not CCP's fault if you're lazy and uncreative.


Orcas, not T3s.

Personally I can't think of any obvious reason why Orcas should be excluded for 3/10s and 4/10s. Does anyone know what the "exploit" referred to in the OP was?

I'd assume storing your ship in one provided a way to bypass the normal ship limitations of the sites.


That would be my guess.. though if you're going to go throught he trouble of bringing your shiny Tengu in there via orca, you might as well get a normal BC for the job. I'm a little sad that 4/10s are no longer doable in my lovely Loki, but I'll adapt.

The main reason I was using the Loki in the first place was because I could scan and run sites with the same ship. Not having to fly back to base, dock, grab combat ship, and go at it.
Now that possiblity is gone, I'll just fall back on what I used to do. HAM drake for the win!

Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
Paul Leonard Kersey
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-06-21 12:53:59 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
People are still whining about T3s in 4/10s? There are other ships that can still enter them that are perfectly capable of tanking the site, AND deal more damage (thus running the site quicker).

It's not CCP's fault if you're lazy and uncreative.


Orcas, not T3s.

Personally I can't think of any obvious reason why Orcas should be excluded for 3/10s and 4/10s. Does anyone know what the "exploit" referred to in the OP was?

I'd assume storing your ship in one provided a way to bypass the normal ship limitations of the sites.


Funny how I got a warning for even talking about an exploit, but a CSM can ask and get answered, that's ok right.....RIGHT?

Is t20 giving out free t2 bpo's again also???

Funny how the rules don't apply to some people in this "sandbox"
SmokinDank
Horizon Research Group
#23 - 2013-06-21 13:01:16 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Then why do you put so much ore in those missions? Yes I understand the exploit (which I never used), but there had to be a better fix than this.


Because any opportunity to wipe out non-null sec income is seized upon by the null sec cartels.

Look what they have done to high sec ice mining, high sec ore mining, and of course T3's in low sec 3/10's and 4/10's.
It is all part of a large campaign to drive more players into null sec, where the cartel leadership control the wallets and taxation, and have more opportunity to skim more off the top for whatever use they want, be in game or otherwise.


Can I buy some pot from you?

...
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#24 - 2013-06-21 13:06:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


The "nullsec cartels" have less than zero interest in this issue.


Dinsdale's brain will read that as

Malcanis wrote:
Our evil plan to screw Dinsdale personally and all things High Sec in general continues apace MUUHHHHAAAAAAA
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#25 - 2013-06-21 13:09:30 UTC
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
People are still whining about T3s in 4/10s? There are other ships that can still enter them that are perfectly capable of tanking the site, AND deal more damage (thus running the site quicker).

It's not CCP's fault if you're lazy and uncreative.


Orcas, not T3s.

Personally I can't think of any obvious reason why Orcas should be excluded for 3/10s and 4/10s. Does anyone know what the "exploit" referred to in the OP was?

I'd assume storing your ship in one provided a way to bypass the normal ship limitations of the sites.


Ah, of course.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#26 - 2013-06-21 13:15:16 UTC
Paul Leonard Kersey wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
People are still whining about T3s in 4/10s? There are other ships that can still enter them that are perfectly capable of tanking the site, AND deal more damage (thus running the site quicker).

It's not CCP's fault if you're lazy and uncreative.


Orcas, not T3s.

Personally I can't think of any obvious reason why Orcas should be excluded for 3/10s and 4/10s. Does anyone know what the "exploit" referred to in the OP was?

I'd assume storing your ship in one provided a way to bypass the normal ship limitations of the sites.


Funny how I got a warning for even talking about an exploit, but a CSM can ask and get answered, that's ok right.....RIGHT?

Is t20 giving out free t2 bpo's again also???

Funny how the rules don't apply to some people in this "sandbox"


Your application to the tinfoil club has been received and accepted. The hats are kept in a special room out back.


(If Orcas aren't allowed in anymore, it's not much of an exploit now is it?)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#27 - 2013-06-21 13:19:27 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


The "nullsec cartels" have less than zero interest in this issue.


Dinsdale's brain will read that as

Malcanis wrote:
Our evil plan to screw Dinsdale personally and all things High Sec in general continues apace MUUHHHHAAAAAAA


Of course. He's a living exemplar of confirmation bias. All actions and effects can be divided into 2 classes:

(1) Actions and effects caused by the omnipotent nullsec cartels to screw hi-sec and drive people into 0.0

(2) Actions and effects caused by the omnipotent nullsec cartels to fool people into thinking they're not trying to screw hi-sec and drive people into 0.0

Leaving aside his touching faith in the capabilities of the omnipotent nullsec cartels, one would think that his best course of action would be to join the winning team, as it were. You can't fight omnipotence (that's the very definiton of omnipotence), and any trivial, ephemeral victories that he wins - appears to win, I should say - will of course only help drive the narrative of the second class of actions and effects.

What do you say, Dinsy? Want to jump on the win train and learn how we form omnipotent cartels? (Hint: It generally involves posting horribly dubious links into fleet chat and calling people goon spies because they're aligned at 90 degrees to the rest of the gang. A passing knowledge of POS mechanics is an advantage.)

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#28 - 2013-06-21 13:27:33 UTC
Towing an Orca around would completely kill the efficiency benefit that people were playing the T3's for.... just saying
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#29 - 2013-06-21 13:43:35 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


The "nullsec cartels" have less than zero interest in this issue.


Dinsdale's brain will read that as

Malcanis wrote:
Our evil plan to screw Dinsdale personally and all things High Sec in general continues apace MUUHHHHAAAAAAA


Of course. He's a living exemplar of confirmation bias. All actions and effects can be divided into 2 classes:

(1) Actions and effects caused by the omnipotent nullsec cartels to screw hi-sec and drive people into 0.0

(2) Actions and effects caused by the omnipotent nullsec cartels to fool people into thinking they're not trying to screw hi-sec and drive people into 0.0

Leaving aside his touching faith in the capabilities of the omnipotent nullsec cartels, one would think that his best course of action would be to join the winning team, as it were. You can't fight omnipotence (that's the very definiton of omnipotence), and any trivial, ephemeral victories that he wins - appears to win, I should say - will of course only help drive the narrative of the second class of actions and effects.

What do you say, Dinsy? Want to jump on the win train and learn how we form omnipotent cartels? (Hint: It generally involves posting horribly dubious links into fleet chat and calling people goon spies because they're aligned at 90 degrees to the rest of the gang. A passing knowledge of POS mechanics is an advantage.)


I already told you.
I had my fill of null sec when I was in FCON (yes, I hang my head in shame), and was fighting against pl and the russians when NC folded up its tent. ( I found null sec blobs and CTA's really really fun, and loved taking a feather boa to a gun fight, on a daily basis http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11966417 )

I ran my corp's null sec mfg division.
Before that, I was deeply involved in our T3 mfg work when we lived in wh's for over a year straight, starting with a C3, then a C4, and finally a C5 with a C4 static.
Before that, I spent a lot of time in the UNI dealing with constant high sec griefing wars, and even some wormhole battling.
After that, a group of us had a POS up one jump from low sec, and Invented and made T2 stuff, plus as a sideline made dreads and carriers. That POS came down when soundwave ticked me off last summer with his changes to the game designed to hurt high sec, and all accounts of mine save this one were closed.

So I might know just a little about how null sec works, and just might know a bit more about the game overall than you.

I have no interest in joining the group of people of actively resist on these forums, whose ethics and value system are the antithesis of mine. Also, would I not be the largest hypocrite if I joined the dark side?
Paul Leonard Kersey
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-06-21 13:47:24 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


The "nullsec cartels" have less than zero interest in this issue.


Dinsdale's brain will read that as

Malcanis wrote:
Our evil plan to screw Dinsdale personally and all things High Sec in general continues apace MUUHHHHAAAAAAA


Of course. He's a living exemplar of confirmation bias. All actions and effects can be divided into 2 classes:

(1) Actions and effects caused by the omnipotent nullsec cartels to screw hi-sec and drive people into 0.0

(2) Actions and effects caused by the omnipotent nullsec cartels to fool people into thinking they're not trying to screw hi-sec and drive people into 0.0

Leaving aside his touching faith in the capabilities of the omnipotent nullsec cartels, one would think that his best course of action would be to join the winning team, as it were. You can't fight omnipotence (that's the very definiton of omnipotence), and any trivial, ephemeral victories that he wins - appears to win, I should say - will of course only help drive the narrative of the second class of actions and effects.

What do you say, Dinsy? Want to jump on the win train and learn how we form omnipotent cartels? (Hint: It generally involves posting horribly dubious links into fleet chat and calling people goon spies because they're aligned at 90 degrees to the rest of the gang. A passing knowledge of POS mechanics is an advantage.)



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Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a bug report for our Quality Assurance department. More information on filing bug reports can be found here. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the EVE Online community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#31 - 2013-06-21 13:54:03 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


The "nullsec cartels" have less than zero interest in this issue.


Dinsdale's brain will read that as

Malcanis wrote:
Our evil plan to screw Dinsdale personally and all things High Sec in general continues apace MUUHHHHAAAAAAA


Of course. He's a living exemplar of confirmation bias. All actions and effects can be divided into 2 classes:

(1) Actions and effects caused by the omnipotent nullsec cartels to screw hi-sec and drive people into 0.0

(2) Actions and effects caused by the omnipotent nullsec cartels to fool people into thinking they're not trying to screw hi-sec and drive people into 0.0

Leaving aside his touching faith in the capabilities of the omnipotent nullsec cartels, one would think that his best course of action would be to join the winning team, as it were. You can't fight omnipotence (that's the very definiton of omnipotence), and any trivial, ephemeral victories that he wins - appears to win, I should say - will of course only help drive the narrative of the second class of actions and effects.

What do you say, Dinsy? Want to jump on the win train and learn how we form omnipotent cartels? (Hint: It generally involves posting horribly dubious links into fleet chat and calling people goon spies because they're aligned at 90 degrees to the rest of the gang. A passing knowledge of POS mechanics is an advantage.)


I already told you.
I had my fill of null sec when I was in FCON (yes, I hang my head in shame), and was fighting against pl and the russians when NC folded up its tent. ( I found null sec blobs and CTA's really really fun, and loved taking a feather boa to a gun fight, on a daily basis http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11966417 )

I ran my corp's null sec mfg division.
Before that, I was deeply involved in our T3 mfg work when we lived in wh's for over a year straight, starting with a C3, then a C4, and finally a C5 with a C4 static.
Before that, I spent a lot of time in the UNI dealing with constant high sec griefing wars, and even some wormhole battling.
After that, a group of us had a POS up one jump from low sec, and Invented and made T2 stuff, plus as a sideline made dreads and carriers. That POS came down when soundwave ticked me off last summer with his changes to the game designed to hurt high sec, and all accounts of mine save this one were closed.

So I might know just a little about how null sec works, and just might know a bit more about the game overall than you.

I have no interest in joining the group of people of actively resist on these forums, whose ethics and value system are the antithesis of mine. Also, would I not be the largest hypocrite if I joined the dark side?

Well said sir.
brinelan
#32 - 2013-06-21 14:36:35 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


Because any opportunity to wipe out non-null sec income is seized upon by the null sec cartels.

Look what they have done to high sec ice mining, high sec ore mining, and of course T3's in low sec 3/10's and 4/10's.
It is all part of a large campaign to drive more players into null sec, where the cartel leadership control the wallets and taxation, and have more opportunity to skim more off the top for whatever use they want, be in game or otherwise.


lol, unfortunately my wallet tells a different story.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-06-21 14:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


I already told you.
I had my fill of null sec when I was in FCON (yes, I hang my head in shame), and was fighting against pl and the russians when NC folded up its tent. ( I found null sec blobs and CTA's really really fun, and loved taking a feather boa to a gun fight, on a daily basis http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11966417 )

I ran my corp's null sec mfg division.
Before that, I was deeply involved in our T3 mfg work when we lived in wh's for over a year straight, starting with a C3, then a C4, and finally a C5 with a C4 static.
Before that, I spent a lot of time in the UNI dealing with constant high sec griefing wars, and even some wormhole battling.
After that, a group of us had a POS up one jump from low sec, and Invented and made T2 stuff, plus as a sideline made dreads and carriers. That POS came down when soundwave ticked me off last summer with his changes to the game designed to hurt high sec, and all accounts of mine save this one were closed.

So I might know just a little about how null sec works, and just might know a bit more about the game overall than you.

I have no interest in joining the group of people of actively resist on these forums, whose ethics and value system are the antithesis of mine. Also, would I not be the largest hypocrite if I joined the dark side?

Well said sir.


Look at that, Birds of a feather actually flocking together. Nature is AWESOME.
Zircon Dasher
#34 - 2013-06-21 14:40:43 UTC
I luv the smell of thread derails in the morning

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Machiavellian Space Bastards
#35 - 2013-06-21 15:24:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

Look at that, Birds of a feather actually flocking together. Nature is AWESOME.

Hide posts is a wonderful feature, I didn't even see caldar..e-2c's post Lol

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#36 - 2013-06-21 22:01:56 UTC
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