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Why are criminals able to dock in highsec?

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smokess
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-06-21 20:43:03 UTC
Because security status is simply a reflection of your status with Concord, and the empires/corporations are not directly controlled by them. Concord simply exist to punish those who commit crimes and adjust their status accordingly, not pre-empt wrong doers and force the empires to close station access to them.

Not sure they even have the power to tell the empires not to allow certain individuals to dock at station as far as the backstory/lore goes. I'm sure someone will confirm/correct me.
Faltharion Estidal
Lifeless Sun
#22 - 2013-06-21 21:19:37 UTC
i was expecting to be flamed, but i guess i was rong
guess eve comunity tends to surprise you Cool
Well my question was more out of curiosity and logical stand point, but i get where many of your questions and anwsers go.
From my point of view, i rather have a more logical system. But what do i know lol.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#23 - 2013-06-21 21:28:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status.
So go out and make it so.
It's your job to provide criminals with consequences for their actions. If you shirk that responsibility, then you know who to blame for them having such an easy time with it… Blink


That is not exactly what I meant. I was thinking more along the lines of faction governments actually, you know, governing. I am not about to get up and exploit some clunky agression mechanics and suicide some ships just to make a point. In my EvE universe it does not work that way. I actually don't think we ought to be wantonly sacrificing imaginary crew.


Sometimes you sound like a union rep for CCP's beleaguered devs. You should change your signature line to "Tippia's Law: Working as Intended," for sometimes I think your real philosophy is that the only good development is no development, and that you are happy to have CCP devs watch 3D Pipes all day long.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2013-06-21 21:31:12 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
That is not exactly what I meant. I was thinking more along the lines of faction governments actually, you know, governing.
We're not subject to the government, only to CONCORD.

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I think your real philosophy is that the only good development is no development
Maybe you should start paying attention, then, rather than just make things up to fill out the gaps in your knowledge.
Prince Sanguine
#25 - 2013-06-21 22:08:42 UTC
An alt I have is -10 in a trade hub and killing people is a lot easier and less scary than I thought it would be at that standing. Hell, sometimes I attack ships just because I'm bored. space rich!

Everytime you read this you are required to send 100 million isk directly to me.
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#26 - 2013-06-21 23:46:19 UTC
Tiber Ibis wrote:
The same reason why a Minmatar militia fighter is allowed to dock up in Amarr. Ie it doesn't make any sense.


This.

Times a googleplex.
Anti-social Tendencies
Society for Miner Education
#27 - 2013-06-22 03:29:42 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?


Yeah as a noob I came into the game expecting this to be the case. I was disappointed when I learned it was not.

+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status.


When your sec status drops enough, your life gets very complicated. Sure you can dock, but if you are a bit slow to warp you find that the faction police have srammed you and killed you. Very inconvenient.

"Patience: n, a minor form of despair, disguised as a virtue." - AMBROSE PIERCE
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#28 - 2013-06-22 03:42:51 UTC
Anti-social Tendencies wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?

Yeah as a noob I came into the game expecting this to be the case. I was disappointed when I learned it was not.

+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status.

When your sec status drops enough, your life gets very complicated. Sure you can dock, but if you are a bit slow to warp you find that the faction police have srammed you and killed you. Very inconvenient.

I thought they web first, then point you?

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S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
#29 - 2013-06-22 03:52:21 UTC
The security status drawback of suicide ganking does seem to lose its punch when it doesn't stop you from docking up and doing it again.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#30 - 2013-06-22 06:30:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Concord doesn't own most of the stations, and money from criminals is just as valuable as money from upstanding citizens.

Business is business.

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Alara IonStorm
#31 - 2013-06-22 07:32:49 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Yes, but the Mortals control the cloning vats. If a Capsuleer losses access the vats, they can die for realsies.

Yes but it is competing mortals in control of them including shady corporations, criminal enterprises and insane militia's, not counting the ones we build or setup for our selves.

Cut a group of capsuleers off from your particular vat and you might find them dining at the enemies home station.
Tiber Ibis
The Paratwa Ka
#32 - 2013-06-22 08:18:52 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Anti-social Tendencies wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?

Yeah as a noob I came into the game expecting this to be the case. I was disappointed when I learned it was not.

+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status.

When your sec status drops enough, your life gets very complicated. Sure you can dock, but if you are a bit slow to warp you find that the faction police have srammed you and killed you. Very inconvenient.

I thought they web first, then point you?

Faction Navy do not point you. At least in my knowledge they don't, and I have been attacked by them quite a few times.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2013-06-22 08:27:10 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?



Because the stations are owned by corporations, not the state.

Does your local motel ask to see a copy of your police record when you ask for a room for the night, or is cash OK?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Luna Kitsuen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-22 09:41:15 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?


Yeah as a noob I came into the game expecting this to be the case. I was disappointed when I learned it was not.

+1 for more lingering effects of criminality than just a fresh clone and a near meaningless drop in sec status.


Go -10 and tell me it's meaningless.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2013-06-22 09:47:47 UTC
Faltharion Estidal wrote:
Just like it says, i am puzzeled why criminals (lowsec status) can dock when the sentry guns try to kill them, it truly puzzeles me, shoulnd't they be blocked of docking ? After all their criminals right?


Why? Becauce screw you, thats why.

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Alara IonStorm
#36 - 2013-06-22 09:57:59 UTC
Okay I am suddenly on board with this new idea of criminals being treated like criminals. It is unrealistic that they can dock in stations and EVE needs to fight that.

I propose the following realism changes.

1. Outlaws can not dock in stations.
2. Criminals can disguise the registration of their ships, not like they can see the pilot and one pod looks like every other pod.
3. Criminals can disguise their physical identity through the use of clean clones and false records.
4. Concord ships have normal ships stats, normal dmg, normal HP, normal lock times, normal jam strength. Somewhere below us Capsuleers of course since they are only human.
5. Concord response times involve sending a probe to see who is attacking, how many ships there are and what type. They then relay that information to command and form up an appropriate sized fleet from the system and the surrounding systems. Only after do they engage because cops are not suicidal.
6. They only learn your identity or alias if they destroy your ship because your not going to advertise it.

Problem solved. Or an alternate solution, you can be happy that CCP has so graciously given you a appears in around 10 second invincible police force and stop whining. Honest to ****in god how hard is it to just tank your damn ship and make sure the cargo isn't to valuable in a single run.

EVE is easy, stupidity makes it hard. Stop being terrible.
Sexy Gorgeous
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-06-22 10:10:37 UTC
I like it when the bad boys come to town Big smile

A woman needs more than just the missionary position!

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-06-22 13:30:00 UTC
Because High Sec is the safest place for pirates and criminals, that's why.

There are no criminals or pirates in NBSI null sec, only targets or friends and some times the combination of 2 Lol

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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
#39 - 2013-06-22 13:36:32 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Okay I am suddenly on board with this new idea of criminals being treated like criminals. It is unrealistic that they can dock in stations and EVE needs to fight that.

I propose the following realism changes.

1. Outlaws can not dock in stations.
2. Criminals can disguise the registration of their ships, not like they can see the pilot and one pod looks like every other pod.
3. Criminals can disguise their physical identity through the use of clean clones and false records.
4. Concord ships have normal ships stats, normal dmg, normal HP, normal lock times, normal jam strength. Somewhere below us Capsuleers of course since they are only human.
5. Concord response times involve sending a probe to see who is attacking, how many ships there are and what type. They then relay that information to command and form up an appropriate sized fleet from the system and the surrounding systems. Only after do they engage because cops are not suicidal.
6. They only learn your identity or alias if they destroy your ship because your not going to advertise it.

Problem solved. Or an alternate solution, you can be happy that CCP has so graciously given you a appears in around 10 second invincible police force and stop whining. Honest to ****in god how hard is it to just tank your damn ship and make sure the cargo isn't to valuable in a single run.

EVE is easy, stupidity makes it hard. Stop being terrible.



Ah see yer propergations and ah raise you these here counter propergations;

1. Annywun with a sec-status of over 0 can not dock in lowsec stations.
2. Legal eagles can disguise the registration of their ships, not like they can see the pilot and one pod looks like every other pod.
3. Legals can disguise their physical identity through the use of stick-on eyepatches and scars.
4. Rat ships have normal ships stats, normal dmg, normal HP, normal lock times, normal jam strength. Somewhere below us Capsuleers of course since they are only human.
5. Rats actively hunt down Legals in lowsec as they shouldnt not even be thar
6. They only learn your identity or alias if they destroy your ship because your not going to advertise it.
Alara IonStorm
#40 - 2013-06-22 13:49:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Mapmaker McCandless wrote:

Ah see yer propergations and ah raise you these here counter propergations;

1. Annywun with a sec-status of over 0 can not dock in lowsec stations.

Meh, Low Sec Stations are owned by corporations, why would they turn down business? Perhaps for Pirate Null Stations only.
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:

2. Legal eagles can disguise the registration of their ships, not like they can see the pilot and one pod looks like every other pod.
3. Legals can disguise their physical identity through the use of stick-on eyepatches and scars.

Sure, false registration and dummy transponders for all!

You have to be allied in some way to know who someone really is like mutual blue and corp with privacy settings.
Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:

4. Rat ships have normal ships stats, normal dmg, normal HP, normal lock times, normal jam strength. Somewhere below us Capsuleers of course since they are only human.

Rat Ships already do have normal ship stats. Incursions Sansha's and Sleepers are better of course.

Mapmaker McCandless wrote:

5. Rats actively hunt down Legals in lowsec as they shouldnt not even be thar

I would enjoy a more active AI then just target the drones. I think missions are too cluttered as it is and should be replaced with a better but smaller enemy.

Mapmaker McCandless wrote:

6. They only learn your identity or alias if they destroy your ship because your not going to advertise it.

Absolutely. Unless you are actively allied to ship through mutual agreement your ship could remain hidden.

Of course nothing as cool would ever happen as being able to hide your identity.