Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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Cyno mechanics are some of the worst mechanics ever witnessed in any mmo... The overwhelming effectiveness of this module/tactic is not counterbalanced well or really even at all. The simple fact that this issue has not been addressed or even really commented on is a surefire indicator that ccp is Bad, and should feel bad...

What's needed is spool up times and mass limits for each cyno. The solution to the problem is outrageously simple...

I'm not sure how you expect to get mass limits outside of titan/blops bridges. The cyno beacon is just a beacon; each jump-capable ship in a titan-less hotdrop opens its own private wormhole to that beacon.

The worst mechanic is the one being countered by hot dropping.

Like I pointed out elsewhere, if it was not for local making it tactically necessary, it would NEVER happen.

Why don't we have cynos being used off grid, or in a next door system?
BECAUSE the ability to have the intel, (which tells a pilot who is present in the system), is free from effort or chance of failure.

The moment more pilots show up, the target is instantly told by the sudden increase in pilots present. Pilots without the tell-tale blue or green squares in their name icon.
Only a fool would mistake that for anything but an alarm that a clear and present danger exists, so they immediately warp to safety.
This results in 100% avoidance for any player simply staying aligned and watching local. You cannot catch them with current game mechanics short of them screwing up.

Right now, the only remaining threat happens when the teasingly single name in local is present. It's just ONE pilot.... they may not even be at their keyboard at all... I could probably sneak out and do stuff, and they would not notice.

Noone seriously takes this same risk with two or more unknown threats present. Gameplay demonstrates this pretty clearly.

Touche good sir, Honestly a very good point. I retract my statement as cyno being the worst mechanic. I'll now list it as the number 2 worst mechanic in an mmo, following local chat as number 1 of course.

fyp

you say because solo cruisers getting dropped by some bored people, all mentioned above things in your quote shouldnt be possible anymore, right?

this was posted in alliance chat right now:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18198570

dude was dropping his nyx on solo people.

One might think HYDRA knows how to deal with such retards... You should be happy such people exist and give supercap killmails away..

Or the cyno ship is a 80k ehp cruiser?

The whole get rid of local discussion again. Just so everyone knows getting rid of local has its own massive implications to both sides of the playing field. Local provides instant intel on who's in the system, true. But it also provides that intel to attackers and defenders. And to be fair, the person jumping into a system is much more likely to notice who's in local than someone who's already there noticing someone move into it. This is because a person is not a robot and does not have robot like diligence to be able to constantly keep track of the movement or not of local. So its already more of a benefit for the aggressor.

So in all fairness, if you do remove local then you must also remove the other piece of perfect effortless intel: starmap statistics. Starmap stats are to aggressors as local is to defenders, only on a much grander scale. Local only shows you who's in house, startmap stats show you where everyone's house is and who's home. Without this and local you'd be forced to scout every system and dscan constantly. Not sure if this would benefit anyone or not, but that is what would happen.

As for cyno, I am of the oppinion that jump bridges are currently overpowered for force projection. The ability to jump an entire fleet to where ever and whenever at such an amazingly crazy distance to anything and anyone that can fit a ****** little cyno is just unbelieveably rediculous. Its the reason people are scare to undock when a neut is in system, it has nothing to do with the person being cloaky sitting around your system afk 99% of the time. Its about the potential of hotdrop o'clock or of course cloaky Tech3, those have too much force projection alone to be able to warp while cloaked and cherry pick targets, but that's another thread.

I have a few ideas. Tell me what you think. Also I'm all for dumping local as long as you dump starmap stats.
Here goes:

Change bridge mechanics to no longer use cynos. Instead you bridge to a "WH anchor" or something of the sort, because of course every bridge needs an anchor not just a beacon. The anchors would come in small,med,large,Xlarge, and would have a mass and distance limit based on the size of anchor you're using. Having the anchor module fit would prevent your ship from being able to jump drive or use a jump bridge, because you're an anchor! This prevents small worthless, highly agile ships from posing an overly significant threat. But doesn't prevent the mechanic from being used at all. Also this would prevent the original anchor ship from being able to jump back. Thus causing some risk applied to the aggressor. Also you can't fit a cyno and anchor on the same ship. Though if you wanted to move a bunch of dudes you could cyno in 2 carriers and then refit off of eachother and bridge long distances. But that would take time and luck.

Another thing would be prevent cloak and cyno on the same ship. That wouldn't prevent log-offski tactics but would require 2 ships.

Reduce jumpbridge range. Make it harder for them to reach anywhere while being perfectly safe.

Blops jump bridges have same affect as double jumping a wh. Only it lasts for 15min or something. Its more of a commitment jumping so sending more than you need to will incur greater risk. Maybe affect cloaking for a period after jumping too. This way there's no risk free gank and runs. Its a commitment where you put your ships on the line and risk them for a good time. Not just free kills and carebear tears.

If you're opposed to these please be objective. State the item you disagree with and why.

Whatever it takes to stop blobs from blobing ... I support. Solo pvp FTW ~~

Hot dropping would still happen. You just feel the need to remove local so blobular 1v30 warfare can be perpetuated in another form. People will still gather intel on groups with the mountain of other tools available and go "oh hey look this group likes solo pvp/pve and only has 10 guys. Lets go bait and bridge today with a fleet of tier/tech 3's and logi."
Like I said it will just turn into large groups of people ganking with cloakies instead (there is no good solution to cloaking btw) and the lame no risk pvp ganks will continue. Can you even guess how many omfg wtf crap is this cloaky blob spam threads will pop up? There needs to be a defence to an offence.
Stop trying to force a large scale change to eve over a mechanic that is clearly broken.