Intergalactic Summit

Yes yes, I know. Only your allies in the Empire do that.

Nation was expansionist simply because their population was expanding at a vastly faster rate then other civilizations at the time. I would like to note, however, that there was no offensive action taken by Nation against the four empires. So your only point against Nation pre YC 37 was we were scarey?

I'd like to point out that I for once am happy to continue prosecuting the war with Nation just as they are with us. I frankly don't care who started it or why, but it's on now... and I intend to fight to see my side win. Simple as that.

Yep.

If you don't want to be treated like a threat, don't create an aggressively expansionist and militant entity.

Khanid understood this. Kuvakei didn't.

For a genius, that's a dumb move.

So, I got back to my desk and discovered this. I could be petty and point out how the topic was related (the genral topic according to the OP being clusterwide technology, society and politics but hey, who needs to read the OP, huh?), point out how your replies so far have been totally insubstantial and based around the argument "trust me bro, I know...". I could be all like that and theorize that the separate thread had less to do with you being a good, upstanding paragon of the cluster and more to do with you believing you and your argument are entitled to special snowflake status.

I could be like that. But no, I'm going to assume that your intentions were genuine and innocent. So, from the top:



Sansha Kuvakei did fear reprise, but he had expected the Amarr to side with him and the Jove to stay uninvolved. In fact he was totally unprepared which indicates that he expected a measure of acceptance.

It's also worth noting that when the truth was revealed, there was a mass exodus of citizens from the Nation, before any sort of military action happened. Even before the war started, as the condemnations happened one after the other, and Kuvakei's rants of the cluster being small-minded primitives, only the most fanatical True Citizens and the legions of True Slaves were left.

These accusations of Genocide do not stand up to scrutiny because were it true the Empires would have killed everyone. They did not.



What Sansha does, while I certainly cannot condone the Khanid and Amarrian systems, is miles beyond any ethical barrier. Nation slavery is a total stripping of the human consciousness, turning the victim into a mindless husk, altering their being beyond repair. Even the Amarr can't boast slaves who try to kill themselves when their mind control implants are removed. As a matter of fact, not even the Amarr use mind control.

You know nothing on it because you sit atop your pedestal, receiving the VIP treatment.



Right of course. So lets say you have a nice house, but just cause you think it's cool, you start a bonfire in the garden. Somehow, you seem to be surprised when angry neighbors come knocking.

Nation armed itself to the teeth with an armada and soldiers who could simply be replaced like a machine part. Add into that that he frequently refered to the outside world as primitives.

Now, tell me Evi, when was the last scenario where people were derided as primitives that ended in happy peace?

Also, you're response is lesser now because Sansha has all the soldiers he needs and no longer needs to raid the planets so vigorously, and also as he has stated the capsuleers are his primary target. And I'd say ripping people from their homes, friends and family is on par with glassing.

Oh and more of this inane prattle of genocide. Well, as stated and according to your benevolent master's design, you cant remove True Slave implants without killing the person, and as stated, the only people other than True Slaves left were the most fanatical of Sansha's True Citizens. They fought to the last, rather than being the innocent bystanders you pretend them to be.



"Just trust me ok, I'm more enlightened than you."

Now come on, try me if there's something you're hiding, you might just be surprised! For someone who makes a big song and dance about improving humanity, you seem to be doing a poor job swaying folk around

Not sure why you bother with this thread, Evi. You stay quiet on the topic, we can all just about manage to pretend that your hide is worth a sous. Every time one of you starts down this path you become a recruitment ad for the DED fleets.

Neither do I, really.

How's the wifey?

Even if you didn't intend it, Evi, you've pulled a few new names to add to the 'irredeemable' list at the very least.

In the effort to save humanity from itself, choice is the meagre defence of the weak. There is no choice, the first genocidal purge of Nation saw an end to the entertainment of choice as a realistic reaction to those too self absorbed to understand true dedication and duty.

Words are cheap, at the end of the day. I can count the respondents in this thread with the mettle to see through even a word of their rhetoric on one hand - and you know who you are. The rest of you? It is laughable you think that even True Slavery may be in your future. You've all heard Master's proclamation. I'll let someone more qualified than I to speak of his designs do so if they wish, but True Slavery, the release from the burden of individual strife into the embrace of a communal society, is far too good for the likes of you.

I do not understand why people insist upon verbal engagements with the Sansha. They are literally incapable of embracing any other point of view, you are not going to to incite a crisis in faith in their implants.

They are mind-controlled to believe that being mind-controlled is for the best. Trying to convince them otherwise is futile at best, and gives them a platform to preach from at worst. Speak with your weapons when you see them in system, and let their propaganda on the IGS fall on deaf ears.