Intergalactic Summit

I want to address things raised in another thread
here because they don't seem to be on track with what the original thread was about.



The truth of the matter is Master Kuvakei wished to create his Utopia far from Empire boarders. He knew his ways would not be accepted in Empire space and so he moved far away so as to not to be considered a threat. Setting up his own empire inside State boarders would have been considered an immediate threat and would have been retaliated against. Many other entities have done the same. Multiple Capsuleer alliances, and other groups that CONCORD labels pirates. And yet, for some reason, even though Nation set itself up far from CONCORD jurisdiction our actions were somehow an affront so grievous that all four nations banded together with genocide on their mind? Does no one else see this as wrong?

From your point of view at worst Nation kidnaps people. So do the Khanid. So did the Amarr. The empires do not band together to wage genocide on the Kingdom.

Nation controls the minds of their subjects. So do slavers inside the CONCORD signatories. No genocide there.

Every other negative thing I have heard about Nation came about after the war that began in YC 37, so the Incursions are a result of the attempted genocide. Not something that lead to the attempted genocide.

So tell me. What has Nation done pre YC 37 that hasn't been done, and been done longer and on a larger scale, by CONCORD signatories? What did we do that the religious zealots have not done a thousand times over in the name of their God yet somehow we warrant death and they warrant a diplomatic sigh?



What, you mean the assaults into enemy territory during a war that we did not start? Go on and do tell me that no one else invades enemy territory in a war. Please. Also we do not commit genocide. We do not glass the planets of the enemy, as was done to us. Our response is actually tempered and less harsh then what started this affair. Because the death of humanity is not our goal.

What is your goal?



I have seen more of the relevant history behind this topic with the eyes of those who were there then you could possibly imagine.

Besides, who's history books would you have me read? The ones written by those who attempt to justify their wholesale slaughter of Nation?

Looks like the Nation brand isn't trendy anymore. I would think that in your little incursions, you might have thought to abduct some Quafe marketing executives to help you with some new gimmicks. Blatant lies don't seem to be working anymore.

In that statement are 2 things. 1, we do things to people against their will. Well so do most other empires. You enact your culture's methods upon criminals, do you not? Why? Because your culture says that they are broken and must be fixed. This can be imprisonment, drugs, re-education, etc. Your culture says This Must Be Fixed. And so you Fix people against their will, because they are Broken.

We fix that which is broken according to our culture. Can we say it's ok to kill you simply because you handle the fixing of broken people differently? If we cannot but you can because you say so might as well end any discussion.

2, the statement says that adding cybernetic modification and making a person, by volume, less baseliner human. I'm sorry, when did that become a bad thing? Humanity has been doing that forever. I didn't realize you were opposed to cybernetic modification. Also I can assure you that I am less modified then some people I have seen on the streets of Gallente cities.



"They've been around forever so it's ok."

So it's not what people do but how long they've been doing it? News to me.

So are you trying to say it is a problem when you do something to someone against their will? Regardless of their criminal status?



Ah, ok. So it's as simple as saying True Power was established to keep Humanity in check. By saying that I now have the right to enforce my laws on empire space, like the empires did in Stain, yes?

No, not just something. It's mind control and forced cyberization to make soldiers that's the issue.


No, because the Four combined resources under an entity attempting to keep the peace, not enforce a perverted standard.


Nope, because the Four didn't agree. Or did you miss the part about working with the Jove to create CONCORD?

So controlling someone's mind. It's almost as if there were drugs that did that.... Can we use that and then join your little party in CONCORD? We promise to only do the same things the others do. You won't even notice the difference!



Peace by your standard. We will keep the peace by our standard in our lands. And yet your people are the ones who crossed over to our lands.



So the Jove gave you the right to tell my people how to run our society far away from you?

Yes, the Amarr. That goes back to that whole history bit. But you'd choose to ignore that, wouldn't you?


Tends to happen when loved ones get turned into walking guns and a threatening presence gets a bit too big and reachy.


No, the Jove gave us the right and ability to keep ourselves from tearing each other apart completely and returning to the dark ages. Sansha threatened that peace.

He was actually making a point in your defense, you insufferable fool.

You should be thanking him, not trying to kick him where it hurts most.

A common lie perpetuated by members of TSF is that they have 'not been networked' or otherwise altered. Of course, if you challenge this lie, they will challenge you back to provide proof. If they do, simply request they submit to vivisection at the next available opportunity.

How very nice for you to have the Universe bend so that your point of view is a universal truth.



It's so sad to see that you accept everything you are told about us without confirming anything at all.

There are plenty of discussions, heated and otherwise. There are differences of opinion as well.

And my desire and dreams have been my own from the start. The eradication of fear, of pain, of ignorance. His dreams mirror my own. His ability is strong enough to achieve it. There is no other path. If you think otherwise I would be glad to see it.



I have been Networked into the Foundations, but not Nation proper. And when that day comes, I shall be glad of it. But I'm not destined for such an achievement yet. If my status of connection with Nation is such an important thing to you, I shall let you know first when it does happen. I will sing it from the mountaintops.

And if you do wish to dissect me, my location is not kept secret. But know that any crew you lose in the attempt, you will never get back.